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Originally Posted by beepbeep View Post
It's a BOV, for gods sake. A thing that should recirculate the air when you lift of the throttle. This is starting to sound like a thread from "Fast & Furious" forums

BOV doesn't give any more power. It's shut when you boot it. OEM BOV works fine, it's just a bit overengineered.

Also, I'm very sceptic about turning BOV into pop-off valve. As soon as you get bleeding metered air in a car equipped with anything else but MAP (of MFI) the engine runs richer than it should. You make turbo pump air that's being dumped overboard, essentially burning fuel to pump air oboard.

I find this particulary funny. How the heck do you make turbo "work at it's peak efficiency" by letting it pump air and then throwing away a portion of that air overboard? Sounds like a nice way to overrev the turbo and let the engine run rich. If this was true you could remove the wastegate alltogether and just control the boost by pop-off. The reason you don't find "another BOV doing this" is beacuse you don't want it to do this.

Wastegate is there to limit the massflow trough turbo, limit it's RPM and lessen the backpressure. You don't know if "turbo is working at it's peak efficiency" wothout knowing exact compressor map and the mass flow for turbo involved.

I won't delve deeper into issue but let me say that regulating boost by pop-off valves belong to early days of turbocharging history and should stay there.

Only production car that regulated the boost this way I saw was an old Mitsubishi Pajero Turbodiesel. It didn't have the wastegate and just let the turbo deadhead and then had the pop-off set slightly in the middle to get rid of excess boost if turbo should happened to boost little extra on a sunny day.

So to wrap it up:

You control the boost with wastegate, period. It's the best and most efficient way to do it. That makes sure it doesn't spin more than it should and that all metered air goes into engine. It also means you don't have uncontrolable air leak which must be compensated by fuel-injection should it occure.

You control transient overrun boost peaks with BOV. That's why it's there. It's used only for that and it's main function is to prevent harmful boost peaks. It doesn't make more power otherwise. It's closed shut during WOT. Last ten years it found a new use, to make funny sounds which makes car sound "racey" which spawned a whole slew of cottage industry making "funny sounding thingies" that don't make any difference and if wrongfully configured, and sometimes cars run rich.

Exuse me for sounding like all-knowing ingorant prick but there is a substantial reasoning behind manufacturers fitting wastegates and BOV's to their car and not making them sneeze or bleed boost into air.

Be irrogant/skeptic then because you don't know the car(this is NOT a Porsche BTW), don't know the tune, the situation, and obviously don't know about the scenario that started this whole ordeal. However it's pretty damn easy to make assumptions based on past information when you haven't been the one working the last six months, spending countless hours on the phone and internet with numerous companies trying to diagnose and eliminate a common problem with these cars and work up a solid solution. Let's not forget the thousands spent on both my end and the customers end working this out. If it didn't work I wouldn't be doing it but all the mapping, tuning, and relative dyno information prove otherwise and you know what...the problem is gone as well and the car runs better than it ever has. It's definitely unorthodox, but doesn't mean it doesn't work efficiently.

So please, have a little more faith in a fellow Pelican member. It's why we are here collaborate and discuss different ways of producing power, tuning, different setups, helping each other out, etc....even if they're not always P-car related. I admit that I too have been skeptic on topics in the past but just sit in and ride it out to the end to see if anything actually becomes of it rather than shoot the ideas of soemone right to the ground based on what "I" know or have heard.

Adam Hennessy

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