Any chance you can go drive a 930 somewhere?

You can find turbos for pretty good deals relative to a Carrera. I have to imagine a driver 930 at 65k is going to be cheaper than trying to mess around with turbo charging a 3.2 adding flares and doing all the business. Plus you’re pulling apart what sounds like an already very nice car.

The turbo comes out of the box with several advantages including better brakes, shorter trailing arms, wider wheels, etc.

The one disadvantage of the 930 I wish I could change is to have a 5 speed. I like doing backroads and I miss rowing through the gears. I feel like I’m often ringing it out in second or lugging around in 3rd. It’s possible I also don’t know how to drive the car.

Personally I’d say go with a 930, but test drive one or two and see what you think of the 4 speed.

Rich

I guess I was lucky.... when I started looking it was for any old Porsche, preferably a wide body. My plans were to find a basket case, drag it in and do what I could with it.
I found an SC that someone had already done all the work and spent all the money.
Freshly restored, rare Turbo motor, just needed some TLC to get over what the last owner did to it.
I think there are enough of these out there belonging to frustrated owners that a guy with some skills could save a lot by finding one with the money already spent or most of the work already done.

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The romantic in me wants a nasty 3.6/3.8 NA beast, but the insane cost for so little power just makes it a bad deal.

I thought about selling and going for a 930, but I know a stock 930 would not do or be what I want, and in the end I would ruin an investment car.

My SC is not an investment nor will it ever be... it is far from a basket case but far from an investment.

Geronimo - Here’s a numbers matching (need confirmation) 930 with a 964 body kit on it, exactly what you want. Pick this up and use it for your base to modify from. This car can easily be bought for low 50’s, which makes the entire cost of this car less than a proper wide body turbo upgrade on an SC. Like I recommended before, trade in your SC for the tax credit and finance the balance if needed. It’ll cost you less, and should also net you a better finished product when done, not to mention a lot sooner too.

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I went through that exercise as well. Bought a 3.3L 930 engine that needed rebuilt and played with the idea of big cams, C/R and PMOs. My mechanic friend said why would you spend all that money for less power.
The draw back of the 930 is that you can't do anything to the body that won't hurt value. You can add power parts no problem as they are easy to remove, but adding 13" flairs or fiberglass parts involving paint kills resale. With the SC you have a wide open pallet to work with. If the mods are done high quality the car actually may retain it's value. Mine did, after I sold it of course. The guy I sold it to flipped it a couple years late for over double purchase price. The recession is over.

Yea, I get the value of buying a cheap 930. The gamble is that I have a rust free SC that is a good solid driver. I at least know the car.

A 930, like the one listed which needs a rebuild could be a money pit waiting to happen. I'm thinking with my SC at least its a money pit of my choosing. LOL

If I don't do a wide body the turbo route would be a pretty cheap option, which could pay for a 930 trans and big power *evil laugh*.

Rarlyl8, what have you done to your 915 to keep it alive?

I think you have seen this? 360hp on carbs.

A big difference between n/a and boosted performance is torque - boosted leaves n/a crying for its mama in that department (aka - much harder, ohhhh shiiiitttt, acelleration). :)

Ohhhhh shiiiitttttt! indeed. I've said that twirling around and around as if dancing with the stars but instead into a tree.

My trip down the turbo trail was as such....

1.) Acquire basket case 964 Cab that looks like a 993 Speedster from family member
2.) Slowly sort it out as I enjoy it and fix little things
3.) Start to realize this thing is totally f***ed and has been in a collision
4.) Feel a weird sort of relief knowing that the car is far from perfect and probably holds little resale value, leaving a clean slate of "what-to-do"
5.) Get doors blown off on a constant basis by bone stock WRX's and Focus ST's blowing vape clouds
6.) Start pricing out cams, intake, exhaust, tune...
7.) Realize the power would excite me for maybe a month and bankrupt me for years.
8.) Also think to self how power-band would be way up top and having to rev it that high to get power would attract too much attention on the street and too much wear on engine.
9.) INSTALL HUGE HAIRDRIER
10.) Never look back smiling the whole way.

the end

That's what happens when yer looking at porn on your iPhone while driving, bro!!!:eek:

I blame the dog

Dude, 360HP NA, the engine cost more than my whole car lol, NA hp, best bet is an LSX swap ;)

Unless something changes, I think I am all in on the turbo route, I'll start collecting parts. Though this year I might be tapped from my trans costs.... Poor Vett guys making all that power, not breaking and having money left over... lol suckers.

You should get a vett

I was headed down the high HP NA engine route until I realized how much it will cost. Even my 3.6 conversion with updated components was way more expensive than I'll ever admit to my wife. But if you want a car that looks like a 930 and is fun to drive its going to be expensive no matter what route you take. Vette certainly is not a bad option when considering HP/$ ratio.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...ool_shades.gif

Yea, I love the Porsche, trouble is I like fast too... lol So boost it is. At the end of the day I have a steadily forming vision of what I want for my Porsche.

I think the Vette is the best performance car you can buy at even 2x the price.... but because of that they are everywhere. Maybe in the future I can park a Mid-engine one next to the Porsche for weekends with the wife.

Because I got side tracked with this concept using a type 930 engine conversion.
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Like that numbskull pilot recently that decided to bring a big dog onboard his single engine aircraft, loose in the cabin, and it pitched a fit at some point and the guy lost control and crashed?!?!

Or, "the dog", like some sort of kinky driving activity?!?! :eek:

You are a wise man, Geronimo! :D

Get Boosted or go Busted trying.

Wow!
If I wasn't knee deep in projects I'd try to find one like this, Love it!

There are lots of narrow bodied boosted 911's out there. Arguably that platform could be even more entertaining than a widebody. SC is easy to lighten up and leaving the body alone saves a bunch of money. Limiting the tire size to 255mm in the rear makes life easier on the tranny. You get to keep 5 short fun gears so you don't need as much power to have the same or better performance as boost lag decreases. You also get to do things in stages which is why a lot of non-930 turbos exist. Do the mods right and the car's value increases.
A friend of mine bought an old guy convertible 'vette and decided to go nuts with the performance to create a sleeper 'vette if there is such a thing. Well he pulled it off. Car looks like your typical gold chain mid-like crisis car but has 1000hp to the wheels. Drive it down to the beach or the mountains with the A/C on getting 27mpg then pull on to the drag strip and rip a 6.1sec 1/8th mile. All for less the $20K.

Y'all don't know much about turbos, do you? :rolleyes:

My car put down 400 to the wheels at only 4,000 RPM before my clutch let go, and I don't have near the bits Gerry has on his engine. Mine is on stock cams, stock heads, and not near the boost or turbos he has.

I started with a '75 911s. Because it was old enough to be emissions exempt and snowballed for the past 34 years.

NIce, and that's kinda where my head is. The car I have is nice, but not to nice. I look at 911's like they are a canvas.

I will start a thread here pretty soon to pick many of the brains I have here to help create a parts shopping list in an effort to learn from those who have been there and done that.

Thanks for nudging my over the boost edge ya jerks ;)

Patrick has had his head up his ass for too long it seems, that’s all he can see.

Tippy, my comment was supposed to be sarcastic/funny, guess I did not pull it off. I have no reason to believe that GJF's car does not have 1200hp. As a matter of fact, I am working on my own 930 and my goal is between 1200-1300hp at the wheels. It is completely possible, just takes time, energy, the right combination of parts and a very good tune to make it survive.

I’ve been around a bunch of turbo 993’s, 930’s and turbo’d SC’s. The latter always seemed to be the most engaging and entertaining. Using a single twin scroll turbo, good cams and proper intake manifolds will ensure a broad powerband and make for a happy response engine.

While I enjoyed the built 930 I drove it seemed to miss the mark on my vision of the 911 as a corner carver. Even my previous 993tt with K24 hybrids had soft response. My current 993 C4S turbo conversion build focused on broad power curve and engine responsiveness. While I give up some power to my previous build the current one trumps it in every other category. It’s VERY snappy and responsive! Lean into the throttle and just a few psi of boost the car responds. Floor it and it jumps to life!

Previous dyno is on wastegate springs only at 8psi peak tapering to 6psi. I now have an EBC set to 10psi. It now holds full boost to redline so it should be closer to 475- 500whp.

Best of luck on your build! You don’t need big numbers to have a fun car. I would trade response for HP any day.


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want to hijack this thread for ideas.

I am at the point of my project starting to come together. still have time for some adjustments in the plan.

78 SC converted in 1989 time frame. metal golden coachworks wide body slant nose.

I would really appreciate posts with ideas on how to put it all back together.

thanks.SmileWavy

I saw Eddie Bello at Tx Mile a few times and one of them I think he ran 220-230 and his sunroof blew out. I'm pretty sure he drove the car down from NY and back after.
Very freaking impressive. Someone said he had 1000hp at the time and this was around 10 years ago or so.
Tony

In the end, that car made more than 1300HP at the wheels with an extremely wide power band and he ran over 236mph at the TX mile. Never got to meet the man, but he built one impressive machine.