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Rawknees and why a 930?

Just in case the 'dead meat' thread dies, here is a new one. First non-tech one I think I have posted.
Ever pondered why you ended up wedded to a beast called 930?
Here it is for me. I have always enjoyed a relationship between myself and machine - 2 wheels or 4. I have dabbled in bikes - classic rather than modern rocketships. Last ones were two Triumph Bonneviles (750s). Both ripper bikes (end of the era when they finally got it right - but too late). Sold them both to part fund my first Porsche - a beaut SC - still own today 15+ yrs on. Love it. Next real beast was a classic Down Under race car Torana XUI - triple twin throat webers, big torque, great car. Sold to race a 911. Bucket list. The HP/performance numbers didn't quite add up with the SC era I would have to be racing and beat my XU1, so the penny dropped - 930.
Never driven or owned a turbo car before. I was completely lost. This forum and you guys got me there. Enduring gratitude for your patience and gold plated advice.
Roll foward 10+ yrs. Some (not here) may wonder why you would buy a road going 930 and strip it out to a track dog.
It is the challenge - this car challenges you in so many directions - as a driver, mechanic etc. Thats what I want in my relationship with my machines. I could get a twin turbo fire breathing godzilla of some sort , mash the pedal and it is all done for you. Whats the point?
Spend hrs in the shed massaging, tweeking the beast, learn some driving skills you never had before, challenge yourself, and enjoy the rewards few experience. For me, it was never the money experience - yes I wonder if I should still be putting it on the track. It wasn't like that 10 yrs ago.
But hey
1) You only live once
2) you are a long time dead
3) whats the point of being the richest guy in the cemetery.
The 930 experience, and the camraderie of this group makes it all the worthwhile for me.
Thats my take on the 930.
Any others?
Alan
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And it doesn't even need to be a 930

And it doesn't even need to be a 930. I was lucky enough to find my '81 SC which was mated with a 930 during a makeover. There is nothing like an aircooled Turbo!
I have been on this forum every day since 2014 enjoying the input from you Allen, Rawknees, Fairman, Paul K, Rarly8, Chris at Turbocraft and many others. From making sense of CIS to installation of air conditioning, this is the place to be.
I love my Turbo Porsche and this forum!

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Yes, these are true words. I am also always happy when I can read something new and I am grateful for the rich words of our experienced members.
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Alan, +1 for your thread.

well I am into my 6th yr of working on my 78 SC/930 conversion. at the point of needing to mount on a rotisserie to blast for paint. been rebuilding, refreshing, etc a lot of stuff. and recently found a rebuilt, shortened bell housing 930 gearbox.

but at the moment I need to pull the engine out of this "creature from the black lagoon' 87 924S for the block to rebuild the motor for my 951 track car.

long story but sitting in the lot across the street for about 2 yrs. put in some gas and attached the jump box, and after a bit of cranking it fired up.

an auto with a bad rubber centered flex plate. too far gone to bring back.

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I donít own a 930 instead a 993C4S turbo conversion. I spend time here to share the company of those willing to dive in and create a car of their dreams. The majority of 993 crowd has VERY limited appetite for chopping up cars. Instead itís all OEM and values. Yawn! I love seeing the fabulous work by Turbo Kraft and other like minded people. Both the 930 and 993 are great canvases for creating the ultimate Porsche. Why would you not want to improve the experience? Values be damned!

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Just in case the 'dead meat' thread dies, here is a new one. First non-tech one I think I have posted.
Ever pondered why you ended up wedded to a beast called 930?
Here it is for me. I have always enjoyed a relationship between myself and machine - 2 wheels or 4. I have dabbled in bikes - classic rather than modern rocketships. Last ones were two Triumph Bonneviles (750s). Both ripper bikes (end of the era when they finally got it right - but too late). Sold them both to part fund my first Porsche - a beaut SC - still own today 15+ yrs on. Love it. Next real beast was a classic Down Under race car Torana XUI - triple twin throat webers, big torque, great car. Sold to race a 911. Bucket list. The HP/performance numbers didn't quite add up with the SC era I would have to be racing and beat my XU1, so the penny dropped - 930.
Never driven or owned a turbo car before. I was completely lost. This forum and you guys got me there. Enduring gratitude for your patience and gold plated advice.
Roll foward 10+ yrs. Some (not here) may wonder why you would buy a road going 930 and strip it out to a track dog.
It is the challenge - this car challenges you in so many directions - as a driver, mechanic etc. Thats what I want in my relationship with my machines. I could get a twin turbo fire breathing godzilla of some sort , mash the pedal and it is all done for you. Whats the point?
Spend hrs in the shed massaging, tweeking the beast, learn some driving skills you never had before, challenge yourself, and enjoy the rewards few experience. For me, it was never the money experience - yes I wonder if I should still be putting it on the track. It wasn't like that 10 yrs ago.
But hey
1) You only live once
2) you are a long time dead
3) whats the point of being the richest guy in the cemetery.
The 930 experience, and the camraderie of this group makes it all the worthwhile for me.
Thats my take on the 930.
Any others?
Alan
Alan, I couldn't have said it any better. You have captured our drive, and our addiction, to own and operate these beasties.
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Many stories are the same it seems. I've always liked mechanical things that force you to pay attention and stay involved if you want to live. For some reason(probably because I'm a Gen Xer) I am drawn to things from the 80's. I grew up riding 3 wheeler's that lead to dirt bike's , that lead to street bikes and always crotch rockets. Owned a 79 F100 for a first vehicle , bought a 84 CJ7 that was a jacked up mud machine with lot's of memories of that from cutting school and going to get stuck somewhere. Bought a 86 Buick Grand National that was my 1st introduction to forced induction. Modified the heck out of that and it was street racing legend out here. Had an 86 Mustang on a bunch of Nitrous that was a lot of fun. Had an Iroc Z with a Paxton supercharger , An 02 supercharged Ford lightning with a bunch of bolt on's that would surprise unsuspecting fast and furious types. So why the 930 is the question , I had always dreamed of owning a 80's 911. Typical kid who had the posters on the wall and bored all of my car friends of the dream for years. I was originally shopping for a 3.2 or an SC but read an article in some European car magazine about a guy who did about the same and wound up with a 930. It stated that if you were on the fence of turbo or not to not even test drive a turbo or be spoiled. Deal sealed and the search began. Found my car in Wisconsin and brought it home. The most nervous night I've ever had was leaving it on the trailer in the motel parking lot that night. Wound up with a low mile 86 non sunroof coupe. Owned it now 17 years , I attended the 1st Turbopalooza and met all of those characters at the tail of the dragon , met a few pelicans at Porsche's to Oxford over the years and have a ton of fun wrenching and learning on these things. I'm not your typical owner and most people would never know I have it , I have a 86 Dodge D50 mini truck as well that you would more likely associate me with if you met me. My daily isn't anything special and I don't talk about cars unless someone brings them up although I'll talk your ear off about them if you ask......Ben
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Steve, awesome looking kit. Looks like TK porn.
Great to hang out with like minded guys. You could count the 930's in New Zealand on one hand at a guess, and I think they are all hiding in the garage under a soft blanket. You guys are my home base, when I am not driving.
1Bad86 - haven't seen your posts before - welcome to the forum. And you need to post a pic if not done so yet.
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I love the 930 but I'm happy to have a 911 hotrod that's got all the right 930 touches at a fraction of the cost. I love everything about the Car and its satisfying being able to track & work on a car that most people will pay thousand at a dealership to do the same thing. My friends and neighbours think it's the coolest car, it's kind of embarrassing sometimes. Unfortunately I'm having some major life / career changes the last year or so and it's really sidelined many upgrades planned for the car. Also had 2 brand new 17" x 315 R888rs blow out on me which has set back the bank account even further but I know I'll be back in better shape at some point with an EFI conversion and maybe a tranny swap. In the mean time I'll be lurking when I have a chance. Cheers!
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Just in case the 'dead meat' thread dies, here is a new one. First non-tech one I think I have posted.
Ever pondered why you ended up wedded to a beast called 930?
Here it is for me. I have always enjoyed a relationship between myself and machine - 2 wheels or 4. I have dabbled in bikes - classic rather than modern rocketships. Last ones were two Triumph Bonneviles (750s). Both ripper bikes (end of the era when they finally got it right - but too late). Sold them both to part fund my first Porsche - a beaut SC - still own today 15+ yrs on. Love it. Next real beast was a classic Down Under race car Torana XUI - triple twin throat webers, big torque, great car. Sold to race a 911. Bucket list. The HP/performance numbers didn't quite add up with the SC era I would have to be racing and beat my XU1, so the penny dropped - 930.
Never driven or owned a turbo car before. I was completely lost. This forum and you guys got me there. Enduring gratitude for your patience and gold plated advice.
Roll foward 10+ yrs. Some (not here) may wonder why you would buy a road going 930 and strip it out to a track dog.
It is the challenge - this car challenges you in so many directions - as a driver, mechanic etc. Thats what I want in my relationship with my machines. I could get a twin turbo fire breathing godzilla of some sort , mash the pedal and it is all done for you. Whats the point?
Spend hrs in the shed massaging, tweeking the beast, learn some driving skills you never had before, challenge yourself, and enjoy the rewards few experience. For me, it was never the money experience - yes I wonder if I should still be putting it on the track. It wasn't like that 10 yrs ago.
But hey
1) You only live once
2) you are a long time dead
3) whats the point of being the richest guy in the cemetery.
The 930 experience, and the camraderie of this group makes it all the worthwhile for me.
Thats my take on the 930.
Any others?
Alan
+1
Thanks! You hit the nail! That is why we love them
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I originally went looking for a G50 Carrera. But some of the asking prices were a little higher than what I was expecting. And then I found my soon-to-be car listed on the PCA classifieds for just a few grand more than those Carrera prices. (Shows you how long ago this was--it was about a 15% difference.) So why not get the car of my childhood dreams?

At the end of the first week of ownership, I remember driving this car and thinking to myself: If something catastrophic happens and I have to write off this car, it's still been worth it! That was 50K miles ago.
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Looking awesome 1Bad86. You are now entitled to fling s..t wherever on this forum.
" If something catastrophic happens and I have to write off this car, it's still been worth it!"
Me exactly.
Love reading about the kindred spirits. This car demands more than your average driver/petrolhead is prepared to cope with. I guess thats where the dividing line starts.
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964 turbo in my case, because it seemed to bring with it improvements learned from the lifespan of the 930, and for some reason, no one wanted to buy them at the time. or this one in particular
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That's the crazy part. There was a time where you couldn't give these cars away. Early Turbos had ask prices in the low-20's, and no one wanted those because of the lack of an intercooler and lower HP.
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Thank you Alan , Just posted on the dead meat thread and some will put 2 and 2 together (Whatever). My car is pretty modified so stock be damned although it is still CIS. No AC, no heat, wipers or wiper motor, no sound deadening ,light weight interior,etc,etc. I know you can make more power etc going EFI but I love keeping the old school alive. I figure if it was good enough to win Lemans it's good enough for me and the back roads around here. There's only so many places you can use 500+ HP around here so I'm satisfied with what I have. I'm not a street racer anymore and getting lost out in the country is more interesting using an atlas instead of GPS. Forgot to mention I had a 75 914 for a while that seemed very approachable at gas stations etc because no one knew what it was. When you pull in with the 930 (Zork tube popping) it shuts everyone right up and brings out either the best or worst in people. I really don't care what anyone else thinks but take pride in knowing that it more than just a car it's a piece of automotive history that has a winning racing history miles long. To me the 908, 910,917,934,and 935 were the ultimate machines ever put on this planet and when you fire up the 930 you are following in the footsteps of greatness and should take pride in that.

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Amen to that. I think we all 'get' that bit of history.
I am happily with CIS also. I like the old school and am not chasing endless HP - just enough to make things interesting.
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Well mine started when I joined a SCCA race team back in 1982, as the wheel and suspension guy. We were running a '69 911T in D production. One thing lead to another, and I became friends with the team mechanic. He worked only on Porsche's both at work and off the clock at home. I was introduced to many variations of 911's, 914-6's.
Then one day a black beauty of a 930 found it's way into his garage...there was no turning back for me at that point......other than the fact that didn't have a clue as to how I could ever afford one.
Jump forward 23 years and one landed in my lap...did I mention I had a thing about Black 930's.
Anyway, I also was not concerned about leaving it stock, but money was tight, so I had to spend money where it was most effective for my personal use. So all the money spent went toward the suspension and brakes. All the HP in the world is worthless if you can't turn or stop!
Now jump forward 12 years and I find my self getting ready to retire to Thailand, so now the 930 needs a new home, but all I can find are folks wanting dead stock garage queens or dealers trying to get it off me for $50K.
So even though I did not care then, and really don't care now about stock 930's, my decision then is biting me in the ass now! Can't seem to find a buyer to save my ass!
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Well mine started when I joined a SCCA race team back in 1982, as the wheel and suspension guy. We were running a '69 911T in D production. One thing lead to another, and I became friends with the team mechanic. He worked only on Porsche's both at work and off the clock at home. I was introduced to many variations of 911's, 914-6's.
Then one day a black beauty of a 930 found it's way into his garage...there was no turning back for me at that point......other than the fact that didn't have a clue as to how I could ever afford one.
Jump forward 23 years and one landed in my lap...did I mention I had a thing about Black 930's.
Anyway, I also was not concerned about leaving it stock, but money was tight, so I had to spend money where it was most effective for my personal use. So all the money spent went toward the suspension and brakes. All the HP in the world is worthless if you can't turn or stop!
Now jump forward 12 years and I find my self getting ready to retire to Thailand, so now the 930 needs a new home, but all I can find are folks wanting dead stock garage queens or dealers trying to get it off me for $50K.
So even though I did not care then, and really don't care now about stock 930's, my decision then is biting me in the ass now! Can't seem to find a buyer to save my ass!
Mark
930's are diamonds in the rough. Nowadays folks are looking for investment potential, let them sit in a garage until the seals rot. People that buy-to-drive are few to be found. They haven't a clue to what they're missing. We only die once....
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If I win the lotto, I'll buy your 930 off of you, fullquack. Your 888, too.
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