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Question 930vin and engine number

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I enjoy having Red 930 turbo vin 9306800013 for quite a while and believed mine was*matched number car. *However I recently*found out that my turbo engine number*shows 6860024. Could someone help me to find whether*my car is*correctly matched?

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If you’re assuming that your engine wasn’t born with the car because it’s serial number doesn’t match the VIN, that’s not accurate, none of them do. We used to be able to order a COA that showed the serial numbers for the engine and transmission, but it’s not offered like this anymore. Now you need to bring your car into a Porsche dealer to pay for them to confirm it and issue you the report. If your engine or transmission don’t match their records, I’m not sure now how you get those serial numbers anymore if you wanted to search for that needle in a haystack.
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Hello,
I enjoy having Red 930 turbo vin 9306800013 for quite a while and believed mine was*matched number car. *However I recently*found out that my turbo engine number*shows 6860024. Could someone help me to find whether*my car is*correctly matched?
Your vin 9306800013 shows early production 1976 US 930 as they start @ 9306800001 and the engine numbers for US 930 begins # 6860001. So your engine #6860024 again very early. The engine # and the VIN seldom if ever match. Yours are easily in the range to be original and correct for the car. A certificate of authenticity is available from Porsche ( PCNA ) for $100 by sending in the info requested on the form for a certificate.
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If you’re assuming that your engine wasn’t born with the car because it’s serial number doesn’t match the VIN, that’s not accurate, none of them do. We used to be able to order a COA that showed the serial numbers for the engine and transmission, but it’s not offered like this anymore. Now you need to bring your car into a Porsche dealer to pay for them to confirm it and issue you the report. If your engine or transmission don’t match their records, I’m not sure now how you get those serial numbers anymore if you wanted to search for that needle in a haystack.
Thank you, I will ask porsche manager to check those numbers. i was afraid that once they find mine was molested car, they show sold attitude.
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Your vin 9306800013 shows early production 1976 US 930 as they start @ 9306800001 and the engine numbers for US 930 begins # 6860001. So your engine #6860024 again very early. The engine # and the VIN seldom if ever match. Yours are easily in the range to be original and correct for the car. A certificate of authenticity is available from Porsche ( PCNA ) for $100 by sending in the info requested on the form for a certificate.
Thank you for your comment, I sure will get the certificate of authenticity at my dealer.
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Anthony, Masa,

I don't think that the info provided by Anthony is correct at this time. About a year ago Porsche stopped issuing the COAs. A dealer inspection is now required to verify numbers matching...at least that is what "people" have been saying.

9306800013 is indeed a VERY low number as the factory held the first 10 or 11 numbers for factory cars and 1 of 2 promotional cars for journalists to drive and review.

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I just bought a few for some prior to 1989 930 cars I own. Maybe the later cars are different or they very recently changed their practice. I might add when a Porsche dealer sees one this old they usually draw a blank look except for a few from the old school so their info may be for the newer ones. Maybe not, just give PCNA Classics in Atlanta a call. Worked for me.
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About 14 months ago I sent away for what Porsche now calls the PPS (Porsche Production Specification). It is their modern equivalent of a COA. For this you have to supply the VIN, Engine number and Transmission number of your car.. It will either come back matching with the numbers you listed, or if they aren't correct indicate unavailable.
My '76 Turbo is #00034 and my engine (matching) #6860066 and Transmission (matching)#7760039

I just looked at the Early Turbo registry and It says #00011 and #00012 were the first two preproduction USA examples. Yours is very early indeed!

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Hello,

I think I will send my machine numbers to PPS to check for authenticity of my car.

By the way, I came across this article of #0014.
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo15/monterey/lots/r194-1976-porsche-911-turbo-carrera-us-prototype/180628

I hope I could get to know my car better, like the history of #0014.
Thank you everyone :-)
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I'd encourage any owners of early 3.0 930s to consider buying Ryan Snodgrass's excellent book, really the definitive resource for these cars. He also has a registry site if you're not already familiar with it:
930 Turbo Carrera 3.0-liter: Registry

The back of his book has production data for every car with colors, options, etc though not engine or transmission numbers. Actually the USA '76 cars start at chassis #9306800011 and evidently 0011 and 0012 were pre-production cars for USA.

Your car 930 680 0013 is literally the first non pre-production car listed for USA. It sounds quite unique as the Snodgrass book lists it as Guards Red, full MacLaughlan (red/blue) tartan interior, no sunroof but otherwise no other option codes. Also was sold directly by Porsche factory for "tourist delivery" rather than a US regional distributor.
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Doesn't ole Magnus Walker claim to own the "first 911Turbo sold in the U.S.", or so his video says?
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Doesn't ole Magnus Walker claim to own the "first 911Turbo sold in the U.S.", or so his video says?
The first one sold wouldn’t necessarily be the earliest VIN.
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Re-viewed his video, "first production US turbo" he says. Car #15. Says #11 to #14 were pre-production press cars. Just repeating what he says, for what that's worth.
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any help on either a coa or pps would be most appreciated. while i have owned our '77 - 930 since 1998 just last year i finally decided to get a coa and found out that i would have to go to a classic dealer with the car and they would check it out and let me know. i do not have the time to ship the car 500 miles wait a few days and then return for the answer. so any info would be most appreciated.

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I can get the data used for the CoA, and make up a Report that is similar; it is just not an official report. I do this for any 1970 car or later; for the earlier cars I can get the Kardex. Email for details.

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