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Beware of chinese turbochargers...

Often seen on E-bay, there are turbochargers that are just a physical copy of the real thing and totally unusable in real world.

Here is an example of turbocharger made to look like Garrett. They couldn't quite replicate intricate casting process used by Garrett so they just casted two halves and glued them together They could at least use something else instead of paper-glue.

Turbine housing was made of pig-iron (from Mao's "Great Leap" backyard furnaces?)



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Beware of generalizations of Chinese products...

I manufacture products in Asia for a living. I assure you that the person who purchased those turbochargers on eBay knew how crappy the quality was when the order was placed. For a bit more money, he could have made them identical (or better) than the Garrett models. I'm not kidding.

The factories in Asia are every bit as technically advanced as the factories domestically (or in Europe). Unfortunately, most who source products over there are just buying based on price - not quality.


Wow... those really are bad replicas.
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E-bay is filled with replicas that are not just cheap copies, they are totaly unusable! This turbo run for 2 minutes before glued compressor housing flew away. I don't believe anybody actually wants to purchase a turbocharger that is not working.

I've seen bad and less bad copies from china. As long as it has a Chinese trademark and is actually usable, it's up to customer to decide if it's worth the gamble.

But these are totally worthless artifacts made to look like "the real thing".

Only thing that saves them is hoards of big-eyed kids who buy these things and then keep them on the shelve dreaming about the car The Fast And The Furious. The moment someone finds out the way to actually bolt this paper weight on the car is the moment $hit hits the fan.
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You, should see there intercoolers!!!!

We did a comparison on the EVO 8 intercooler it was leaking in 12 spots
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I would never buy a Garrett Turbo off EBay... I only source my turbo's from Stephen Kaspar (KKK's) and ATPTurbo in the USA (for Garretts)
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Well you can buy a good Garrett off E-bay, no problem. Problem is that Chinese dont have functional copyright laws and are free to tack on fake Garrett-tags on whatever they produce.
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Beepbeep, you're basing your beliefs off heresay from the internet. In reality, there was apparently only that 1 turbo that was glued together. It was, supposedly, a production prototype that accidentally made it's way on to the market. I doubt if anyone here has actually used any of these turbochargers, so until then it's all speculation. I've known a few people using these XS Power turbos for a long period of time (one has for about 2 yrs with no issues) and haven't had any of the horror story problems I've heard about them. Don't worry, I'm not a fan of these turbos or anything. I just get tired of speculation. In reality, there is no way these turbos could be anywhere near the quality of a Garrett turbo considering how much R&D has gone into Garrett's stuff.

That being said, Garrett turbos are far too cheap in price IMO to really consider going with anything else. I personally would never use any of the ebay Taiwanese "specials", but that's mainly because I always want the best when it comes to important components like a turbocharger. When you can buy a T4 from a reputable company like Precision for ~$800-950, and a GT series ball bearing turbo for ~$1100-1300 why try to save a couple hundred bucks and get a vastly inferior product?
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Hmm...dunno. I was looking for Mitsu TD04 pieces and found this weird thing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TD04-H-Turbo-T25-T28-w-8-PSI-Internal-Gate_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ005QQite mZ150049513702QQrdZ1

TD04 T25 whaaat?? TD04 is MHI piece and T25 is Garrett piece??? And turbo on picture looks physically smaller than TD04.

Then I found this:
http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=www.ssautochrome.com&Dirn=Received+by
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I bought an XS IC and tested it. it was fine as far pressure tests etc. Would I buy a XS turbo no. Am I using the XS IC no but that is for a totally different reason(time versus beneifit) not much can go wrong in there but the turbo now that can be bad. very bad
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XS Power knocked off AMS's intercooler.

We did a comparrison test.

After 18psi the intercooler would start heatsoaking and leaking!
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I've heard many negative things about XS Power turbochargers. Are those the ones made in Sth America or something?
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beepbeep,

Can you believe that guy has 677 negative feedbacks, and 14 in just the last month!? I'm not sure how the benefit eBay gets from keeping this seller registered actually outweighs the amount of complaints...

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This feedback page is bogus. They don't have that bad a feedback. I couldn't believe it so I looked and saw that somone had "doctored" a feedback page.
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We bought "a chinese intercooler" from trough group buy which was custom ordered to fit SAAB 9000. It was OK and quite cheap. But it didn't have any fake trademarks attached.

It was well specified thing w/o moving parts.

On the other hand, I've seen copies of Greddy items which were sub-par. I've also examined custom made chinese headers. While looking bling-bling and electro-polished to look good, they weren't stainless and had really tacky weld swamps inside of pipes. They did work though.

Generally, I wouldn't buy any chinese aftermarket automotive equipment that has moving parts. Turbochargers I've seen were ranging from barely usable to dead weights.

Intercoolers were OK.

It's hard to say wheter to buy chinese parts or not, but let's just say it pays to be very observant and selective.
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I got one of those mini pocket bikes a couple years ago when they were popular. The engine works still, but the motor mounts have been broken for most of the time here in the USA. It's completely useless other than looking cool. The design or the material was just not going to cut it.
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It's hard to say wheter to buy chinese parts or not, but let's just say it pays to be very observant and selective.
Excellent advice.
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