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Indeed that Rocket's comment: (Virtually identical" is pretty close to the "same" in my book) is true, thus why I respond with "they are not identical" to the below from Bill:

"Pagid Blue and Orange are not the same compound, Orange used to be a good choice for a track pad that could be used on the street if you don't mind the noise, blue are an excellent street pad if you don't mind a lot of black dust."

The point is there are TWO blues.

One track (RS4-2 blue), one street (dark blue) that Bill may be referring to. Often the two are confused.

We also need to be careful about generalizations here.
Oranges are *not* rough on rotors.
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If you are past being a beginner.....there are many better and safer choices.
Yep, beginner... that's me. But hey, eveyone had to start at one time or another. I was scheduled for an evaluation ride and signed off to group 4 at RA last month, but a broken fuel pump ended all that.

Can I still hang out with you guys?
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Only if you learn the secret brake pad handshake........
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Only if you learn the secret brake pad handshake........
OK, I guess I should have visited your site before opening my e-mouth. One should keep his mouth shut when in the presence of the “Brake God.”

Forgive me… I am not worthy…
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Quote:
Originally posted by Craig911
Indeed that Rocket's comment: (Virtually identical" is pretty close to the "same" in my book) is true, thus why I respond with "they are not identical" to the below from Bill:

"Pagid Blue and Orange are not the same compound, Orange used to be a good choice for a track pad that could be used on the street if you don't mind the noise, blue are an excellent street pad if you don't mind a lot of black dust."

The point is there are TWO blues.

One track (RS4-2 blue), one street (dark blue) that Bill may be referring to. Often the two are confused.

We also need to be careful about generalizations here.
Oranges are *not* rough on rotors.
Yes there are 2 blues the older RS4-2 blue I used for ~5yr or so on my C3 w/ 964 brakes, it's a fine sporting strreet pad which can be used on track, but there are far better choices, they do throw tons of black dust.

The new sport blue I have no experince w/

The orange RS4-4, in my experience(903/964/993/993tt/993RS brakes) is an excellect track pad that can be used on the street, does squeel horribly -it' primary issue is its tendanct to uneven pad deposition, they need to be carefully bedded before getting it on and if used on the street rebedded at the next track day. Perhaps in the smaller SC or Carrera sizes they don't squeel

Yellow RS19 is much better suited for dual use, you do want to rebed and the do squeel some but dust isn't half bad.

And no Metal masters are more like Blues they are fine street pads w/ low dust and little to no squeel but they are not going to be good track pads.

I wouldn't consider any of the above to be rough on rotors
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So far I'm planning on getting the Metal-Master pads.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/911M/POR_911M_BRKpad_pg2.htm
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So far I'm planning on getting the Metal-Master pads.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/911M/POR_911M_BRKpad_pg2.htm
So I assume your primary usage will be street?
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Yup, street use only for the 930. At least for now and the next few years. I thought I might use the '85 for some DE events or something like that.
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I've had really good luck with "PBR Ultimate Ceramic" pads.

I've used them on the street and track for more than a year without any issues. They can handle temps higher than 1000 F. degrees (Kevlar and ceramic composition) without issues. Great price too.
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Are these Metal-Master pads our host sells the same as the PBR/Axxis pads? Probably a dumb question..
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Are these Metal-Master pads our host sells the same as the PBR/Axxis pads? Probably a dumb question..
Not a dumb question, I want to know too...
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Are these Metal-Master pads our host sells the same as the PBR/Axxis pads? Probably a dumb question..
Yes, I haven't tried the Ultimates but they do have a lot to recommend them.
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OK, so we're back here again... I am looking for a pad for my 88-930 (with big reds) that
  • 1 can be used on the street as well as track
    2 doesn't squeal
    3 won't kill my rotors
    4 doesn't make a lot of dust
I have hawk blues for track usage but simply cannot handle the squeal any longer. Price is not a consideration.

I've read the thread several times but I'm in the air on which pad will best suit my needs. Suggestions?
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As a retailer of Pagids with experience fitting the right pad to the right person/car/desires/usage:

If you truly consider your car a true track car - as stated in your signature - you really ought to switch out pads for street/track use.

Personally I think the Pagid Yellows, aka RS19, are the best track pad you can buy. I use them on my car, on my 'Big Blacks'. They last quite a long time, cost a bundle, can squeal horrendously on the street (or not at all - we're talking multiple personality pads with regards to noise), and are tough as nails. Dust is decent as Bill mentions.
As you may have read, Bill uses them too.

The Oranges, again as Bill said, are great dual purpose pads, usually don't make much noise (but a few have have had a lot),
are decently priced, and with your HUGE Big Reds they are a good choice. You might get these. The PO used them and used them hard. They become a better and better trackable choice the larger the caliper/disc is.

Pad deposition with oranges is a real problem -- but this happens 99% of the time on the smaller braked cars - almost always SCs and to a lesser extent Carreras which are driven very hard on track.
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The Oranges, again as Bill said, are great dual purpose pads, usually don't make much noise (but a few have have had a lot),
are decently priced, and with your HUGE Big Reds they are a good choice.
Craig, I left a message for you to call me but I want to post these pics so that when you call we will both be on the same page.

The pads in the pics are of a set of hawk blues and a set of metel masters. The metel masters are the ones that the spring clip fits. The blues apairently use a different spring. If I purchase the pagid oranges, will the spring in this picture work? Or do I need a different one? (BTW, anyone with info please feel free to jump in.)

Note: I call this a spring because I don't know shi* about brakes and I don't know what the legal name for it is.

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Doesn't surprise me that the Hawks are also physically 'interesting'.
Put it this way: Customers who have used Hawks choose not to return for some interesting reasons, all of which make complete sense.
4 years of reports gives one a sense of a product, and they would not be top of my list.

Tha clip holds the pads in, and I think it is beneficial to have an area for that spring to rest in.
The Pagids have that same area as your MMs do.
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I have a question about "deposition." What is it?


I've got new Pagid oranges on new OEM solid rotors with stock 83SC brakes. I've rebuilt the brakes and run ATE blue.

I read the references to "deposition" on lighter cars with smaller brakes driven hard on the track. THat sounds like exactly what I have...1000kgs with 260hp track-only car that I am still braking in but fully intend to flog like a rented mule...whats deposition, why does it happen, why is it bad, and what can I do about it?

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1st thing - bag the oranges, buy yellows. Oranges will leave crap on the rotors as you correctly state.

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NOT the proper pads for your setup at all

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I am no expert, but will chime in with my experience. Had Jurid pads on my car. They were noisy and extremely dusty (garbage IMHO). Went to the PBR's for street use, they are very quiet and clean.

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Hmm Craig, that sucks. I bought the oranges on advisement from the host. Would they do better on my 950kg road-only 71 targa with a 3L hotrod NA engine?

I don't see yellows for sale here...oranges have 100 kms on them...

Hmmmm WWBV do?
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