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Question 80 930 Or 86 930

IM ASKING THE EXPERTS
IF YOU HAD THE CHOICE A 1980 ROW 930
OR A 1986 911 TURBO STATESIDE?
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86 less legal issues and "worth more"
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The only thing I can think of might make the 80 more desirable is if it does NOT have a sunroof and/or if there are less emmission requirements on an 80 in your state.
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IF looking for big hp, does the 80 lend itself to the same benefits as the 78-79? Just a thought/question? Is the ROW already imported and certified/titled in your state?
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I do want the 1980 930 for the hp ill admit that ,930/60 put out 300hp from the factory. The more I read about the 86s from the states you have to use the euro exhaust to get more power out of the damn things any way.The sunroof has been repaired already(I guess this was an issue on them)and the car has a good title.What type injection system was on the 86 CIS? the 1986 had 4 owners the 2nd was a PCA member I believe.The car had 1 hit on car fax some fender damage and has been repainted.
does repainting porsches affect their value bad? The 86 has been heavily modified k27 turbo ,kokeln racing intercooler ignition system bilstien suspension and been dynoed 390 hp.Im kinda worried the car has been abused .The seller admits it is a oil leaker and one of the seals on one of the cyls is leaking. I appreciate everyones input it is really priceless,this site kicks ass. Im in V rginia and I believe antiques are excempt from emissions.Im also a vw tech so I will be doing all the work on this car with some help from 2 porsche techs .Any feedback and help would be appreciated
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I bought my car heavily modded and repainted with an oil leak. I paid $22.5K which I thought was little high, but I figured it had many parts I'd be buying anyway.

Keep in mind, an engine rebuild is rather expensive even if you do the work. Just know that going in especially if you're going to start making serious hp.

I wouldn't look a factory hp ratings on any of these. All the mods needed for hp will be needed on all the models.

The sunroof isn't really a reliability issue, it's just weight up high where you don't want it and all US cars (AFAIK) came with them.
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Does an 86 930 have the large air vents and better ventilation like a 86 carrera? You might consider this.
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Well I have both,, so I can honestly say... BOTH.. Actually the 86 is much more sophisticated.. what purpose do you have in mind for the car ?? my 86 is my date car and the 80 is the "tracdog".. Financially the 86 is worth quite a bit more. Has a better heating system..
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The seller admits it is a oil leaker and one of the seals on one of the cyls is leaking.
Pete Lonsiak

Uhh...ohhh. Uneven mating surface (or snapped headstud) = top end rebuild (at least). This usually happends when you start fiddling with boost.

If ROW car was not fiddled with, has no sunroof and was own by PCA member, I would pick that one.
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ok checks in the mail for the 1980 930 .I really could do without the sunroof,but im not gonna track the car. Im gonna use as a Sunday driver and just restore the car. The previous has installed a different intercooler and oil cooler.I would like to sqeeze a little more power out of th emotor whats the next step after the intercooler? Ive been reading about the k27 turbos and different variations,what about in car boost controls the manual ones?
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The '86 has the euro exhaust. It just has the cat as well.

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ARE PARTS AVAILABLE TO CONVERT CAR BACK TO EURO SPECS ?
AND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DONE TO MAKE THESE CARS LEGAL IN THE U.S.?
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ROW car didn't just have better exhaust, it also had larger fuel-head (more fuel at boost). US cars was obviously upgraded with ROW headers but at some point in time it was run with thermal-reactors. Being a weaker car that had more owners (and some were presumably boost-fiddlers) means that it probably lived a harder life. I would pick unmolested 300hp ROW with one picky owner over a leaky US sunroof model any day of the week. PCA guy probably babied it.

US car was obviously fiddled with and yo'll never know if somebody was tempted to up the boost while it still had thermal reactors (a very bad idea with inferior US CIS fuel head). Frankly, even babied US cars that still had thermal reactors rarely survived past 100-150kmiles w/o at least top-end rebuild.

Sunroof is just a added weight (in my book). Non-sunroof 930's are probably more desirable. Check for synch-ring wear in 3:rd gear on both cars.


To summarize:

ROW: Big fuel head (no leaning), euro exhaust, 300hp out of box, one picky owner = good

US: Thermal rectors (until some point), small fuel head, unknown history (?), fiddled with, raised boost (?), leaky engine, sunroof = bad

Pick the one in best condition. Big intercooler will set you back 700$ or so. Top end rebuild (assuming you don't find cracked piston rings which I'm afraid is distant possibility) will set you back much more.
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1980 930's did not have thermal reactors. That was a completly different exhaust system that had EGR as well and was on the 1976-79 U.S. 930 turbos..

The 1986 U.S. car would have the ROW exhaust system with a cat and oxygen sensor. All 930 turbos from 1978-89 had air pumps and air injection.

As far as gray market cars in the U.S. it all depends on who converted the car when it was originally legalized. There was some shady people doing this back them.

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THE 80 930 IS ALMOST FINAL BUT IF I DO HIT A SNAG THE 86 IS OPEN. IF I GET HE 80 I WILL POST THE ADDRESS OF THE 86 IF ANY1 IS INTERESTED THE CAR FAX CAME BACK WITH ONE HIT,FENDER DAMAGE AND WAS REPAINTED OTHER THAN THAT THE CAR IS CLEAN EXCEPT FOR MODS AND THE ENGINE STUFF I LISTED ABOVE THEY WERE ASKING 27K BUT I GOT THEM DOWN TO 23,7K ILL POST IT AS SOON AS I FIND OUT THE 80 IS IN TRANSIT.
WHAT ABOUT BUMPERS AND SAFTEY ISSUES FOR THE CONVERSIONS TO THEU.S. MARKET?
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For those curious minds here ( and almost all of us on here are), can you tell us what the going rate for both of these cars is??
and WE NEED PICTURES!!!
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ok heres the scoop,I looked at every classified in the country looking for a 911 turbo. I really wanted anything past 1978, I was told if I ever bought a 911 to buy a 1978 or higher because the motors were bulletproof. (this was 20 years ago when I was 1st starting off as a mechanic) Originally I was gonna get a 86 from GAD that had a engine fire for 17.5 but when I Icalled back to make the deposit he sold it from under me.(I was destroyed,ask my wife)I started hitting ebay again local classified and i stumbled across the 86. I was looking at the 86, car looked good and I was interested . Below the 86 was a 1980 for 22k I started checking it out and and the pictures really sucked, I contacted the owner and request the pics and he sent them and the car was pretty damn nice.Started e-,mailing the owner and picking his brain, he was 3rd owner it did have a hot start issue (which I think is the fuel accumulator or check valve in the pump)
radio is inop which i really dont give a rats ass about paint was original interior was nice and was garage kept.then he was having 2nd thought ,he really loved the car and didnt want to part w/it but hated watching it sit in his garage.Iwas going thru the same deal ,I put my 93 vr6 SLC corrado mint shape even with 140k on the odometer and I also put a 86 GTi that im 90% converting to vr6 abs 5 lug suspension .....all on the block.Then my wife talked me down (God I love her).so he came to his senses and decided to sell. I went thru a run around with capital 1 auto loan (they blow I hope the place burns to the ground . but the owner started getting antsy so I started ling up the 86 but we got all the papers straight and my cars getting ready to ship
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The 86 USA car (282 hp) has a lot of upgrades compared to an 80 ROW ie interior, brakes, heat/air. However as stated above, it will cost you more money, and will most likely be worth more money in the future (if that is an issue). 86 Cars are not thermal reactor but heat exchange cars. To get 300 hp out of USA car, remove air pump, air lines, and cat. Voila, there is missing 18 HP. I don't think there is a difference in fuel pressure between the two cars

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but why wont a 1980 930 go up in value
ive seen 1979 and 1980 930s going for 30 to 35k in pristine condition.
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In the USA, Rest of World (ROW aka not the USA) cars sell for less due to emissions. In Canada it is the exact opposite. Don't worry too much about the future value of these cars. Buy a good one that will pass smog at the right price and enjoy it.

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