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Yeah, and it is typical of the automakers.. they had know clue that people like us, ten and twenty years later would be pouring over these kind of details. The manufacturers could care less, as these cars were just another unit sold to them! ;-)

Still digging through some of my stash.. Found an Alan Johnson racing price list (photo copy)

List the part numbers for the fenders as AJR-503-930-SL and AJR-503-SR Price of $6,100pr
I sure that they obviously alter this part # as it probably reads 930.503.???

Also has 930S steering wheel listed as AJR-347-859 $349 Available in blk, blue, brown, burgundy, and champagne.

Another item of interest.. I have heard it stated that the separators in the rear brake vents were made of wood. I have personally never seen these. Have only seen either steel or epoxy/resin. Steel, has been known to be aftermarket...

My car has epoxy/resin and I assume my 87 was as well as they were not steel or wood. This AJR sheet lists them as epoxy.
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Another item of interest.. I have heard it stated that the separators in the rear brake vents were made of wood. I have personally never seen these. Have only seen either steel or epoxy/resin. Steel, has been known to be aftermarket...

My car has epoxy/resin and I assume my 87 was as well as they were not steel or wood. This AJR sheet lists them as epoxy.
I'm repainting my separators this coming Spring.......I'll keep everyone posted.
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Dave,

Me too.. I have the drivers side out already but haven't began work as yet.

The plan is to lay down a clear protective film in, and on either side of the vent opening and of couse paint the separators while out.

Hope to get back on it 1st week of the new year.. if the weather allows. Hell, its cold in that particular garage even with the heat on!
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I feel your pain..... hasn't been above zero here for the last 3 days. btw, the separators on mine are definitely not metal, maybe wood or plastic. The vents on mine are ABS, molded into the body.
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See photo of my 1988 505 optioned 930S rear air intake ducts. Metal is not molded and slats are supposed to be wood.

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The pre-M505/M506 slant's brake vents were one piece molded to body.

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Great info, now we are getting somewhere.
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The pre-M505/M506 slant's brake vents were one piece molded to body.
Interesting, my 87 was as pictured on Werk-I's car.
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Hi guys, this has been a great thread. I am working plans for a registry and web page so please if you have any documentation keep it in a safe place so we can catalog it for later reference. I have several items. An original factory shop supplement, an options catalog and price list in German from '87 (I think) and an old issue of Excellence with an article by Bruce Anderson that summarizes the history of the slant nose cars. This includes both the factory versions as well as companies doing conversions. Best part is that IIRC the issue is from back in '88 so it was written in the day.

Another confirmation that factory slats on the M505 optioned car were made from wood.


Was wondering if anyone could confirm that this was the standard version of the factory steering wheel as delivered on the M505 cars. I know earlier versions used different wheels but I have been told that this is the wheel the M505 cars came with. Comments?

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Same as on my 1988 SN see photo of it. The COA lists it as optional leather wheel with raised hub.

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Most factory 930S wheels I have seen have the inlaid Porsche crest like yours. Most of the wheels are also black, but with your color keyed interior I would make an educated guess that your car came with that wheel and is correct. Curious, what does your COA say about it?

I have a newer 930S wheel on my 87 930S right now but kept the original.
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Another quick one. Are your seat belt receivers covered in leather as well? I have yet to source a COA but a friend in Stuttgart with factory contacts got some info for me and it made no mention of it one way or another. Seeing that the interior is a rather rare color (mahogany) I have no doubt that it is original to the car.
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Interesting, my 87 was as pictured on Werk-I's car.
Now that is interesting. Production change between 87&88??? Does yours and Werk-1s cars have the rocker supports welded or bolted? Are they both original paint? If yours are original SN and never worked on, then it is probable Porsche changed production methods sometime between 87 and 88 in the vent area, to as on mine, as there are definite seams, see previous photos, ( not body filler etc. over welds/seams ). Does yours have the Wooden slats ? As I recall the pre 505 cars had the oil cooler in the front valance as previous oil cooler location was now occupied by the rt head light bucket. With the advent of the 505 it was relocated the rt rear quarter so logic would dictate changes to that area would be commencing in 1987 however????? We may soon find out what, why, when, as it was a work in progress considering, its uncertain future, limited number that were available, due to the ( coach built ) nature of the changes to make the 930S. Also "onboost", what is your 87s VIN #. My 88# is WP0JB0937JS050184


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Now that is interesting. Production change between 87&88??? Does yours and Werk-1s cars have the rocker supports welded or bolted? Are they both original paint? If yours are original SN and never worked on, then it is probable Porsche changed production methods sometime between 87 and 88 in the vent area, to as on mine, as there are definite seams, see previous photos, ( not body filler etc. over welds/seams ). Does yours have the Wooden slats ? As I recall the pre 505 cars had the oil cooler in the front valance as previous oil cooler location was now occupied by the rt head light bucket. With the advent of the 505 it was relocated the rt rear quarter so logic would dictate changes to that area would be commencing in 1987 however????? We may soon find out what, why, when, as it was a work in progress considering, its uncertain future, limited number that were available, due to the ( coach built ) nature of the changes to make the 930S. Also "onboost", what is your 87s VIN #. My 88# is WP0JB0937JS050184
I can't remember if rocker supports were welded or bolted. I do know that the welded jackpoint extension was there. And yes, it was original paint...

Porsche did change a lot in the area of production methods during the time stated.. in searching through my goodies I ran across and article that address this although not in great detail.. (will post shortly).

My car did not have wooden slats, had resin. Also did not have the seams you speak of which are visible in the photo. Oil cooler was in passenger side brake duct as yours etc...

Unfortunately for me.. I do not have the Vin of my 87. Will have to try to dig-up records or old registration.. Vin was not really important then as it is now! However, I do remeber the car as being a late 86 production.
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Most factory 930S wheels I have seen have the inlaid Porsche crest like yours. Most of the wheels are also black, but with your color keyed interior I would make an educated guess that your car came with that wheel and is correct. Curious, what does your COA say about it?

I have a newer 930S wheel on my 87 930S right now but kept the original.
Believe they had 3 versions of the 930S wheel..

- The original 930S wheel was 3 spoke, w/crest.. and horn buttons positioned at 9 & 3: oclock. This version was on the special wishes cars and also on my 87. Believe it was made for Porsche by the same company that makes the current style. They were available in colors to match the interior.. AJR also sold these wheels in the late 80's
(See Pic.. not my car although it was a factory M505)



And..

- The standard or later wheel which Kilo and Voitureltd previously posted pictured w/crest..

- The newer 930S wheel w/crest (not sure when they were first used)
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I can't remember if rocker supports were welded or bolted. I do know that the welded jackpoint extension was there. And yes, it was original paint............
Original paint here too. The pic below illustrates the way the sills were secured on my '85.




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Interesting,... My 1979 yellow Alan Johnson racing conversion done in 1984, the attaching brackets are attached the same as yours, however the white 1988 factory 505 the brackets are factory welded along with the obvious metal seams in the 1/4 vents instead of smoothed over as your car ( is yours RUF or a Werks car? ) prior to the later factory built 505 cars. I guess it follows that they were selling the same parts and the necessary installment instructions to AJ and others to be the the same as the way they were building them in house thru the mid 80s . Later with the 505 option production they changed the assembly process, assuming our assumptions ( in some cases ) are accurate.

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Tony,
Actually, those metal skirts in the photo shown are ones I purchased from Imagine Auto. He had them for sale some years ago and I decided to get them. The original skirts (still got 'em) are aluminum units. The mounting points on the skirts were fatigued so I thought I would put them on the shelf and get to repairing them later. I guess the boys at Werke-I were concerned about watching their weight on just about everything.
I wish it were a Ruf, but alas, it's the 330BHP engine. It had dual twin-tip exhaust pipes that I thought were simply atrocious, so those were removed as well.
You mention AJ Racing (AJ USA) conversions. They were actually the only shop that used all the original factory parts from Porsche. Very impressive conversions, top notch workmanship.
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I posted this to the other thread as well but if you read it there are some interesting words written about the front fenders and the manufacturing process. Also an intriguing photo of one in construction in bare metal, slant fenders installed but no ventilation slots.....

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http://forums.motivemag.com/zerothread?id=4109042
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Interesting,... My 1979 yellow Alan Johnson racing conversion done in 1984, the attaching brackets are attached the same as yours,

I guess it follows that they were selling the same parts and the necessary installment instructions to AJ and others to be the the same as the way they were building them in house thru the mid 80s .
voitureltd: Mine is a 78 and from my records it looks as though it was converted by Alan Johnson Racing around late 87/early 88. Also recently discovered a date stamp in the back of my steering wheel.. 8/87.

As WERK-I suggests, and to my knowledge, AJR was the only shop doing conversions with factory supplied parts. They were an authorized dealer and it's my understanding that they had a state of the art body shop, and of course the racing dept.. They were also authorized Lambo dealer for some time.
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