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I visited AJR back in the late 80's and bought many parts from them during that time. They always carried many of the factory slant nose parts. They also had the large center consoles for many years. I think I have their catalog in a box if i can find it.
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[QUOTE=onboost;4376405]Believe they had 3 versions of the 930S wheel..




I guess I should have said for 87-89 M505 cars since kilodawgs is in this range.

I agree that there were 3 versions of the 930S over the years.

The one in the picture is a Voltaire and was the first 930S wheel. That wheel came in my 79 DP935.

The question is what cars came with the 2nd version of the 930S wheel? I don't recall these coming on M505 factory slants. Does anyone?

I love the feel of the wheel.

I have all 3 of the 930S wheels and need to get them together for a picture sometime.
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Peter Morgan's response

Guys,
I got Peter's response through a third party this morning. I thank him for taking the time to respond with his thoughtful response.

"The 'Sonderwunschen' (note the correct spelling - on the thread somebody
called it the sonderwush!) or special wishes cars were built as one-offs to
special customer order in the early days. They could be conversions to
factory fresh cars or to customer cars that had run for some time. They were
very handmade by the Repair and Restoration workshop in Werk 1,
Zuffenhausen.
When I looked through the sales records in Porsche back in 1993 (for the
first edition of Original 911), the first slant-nose style car listed was
93ZBS000619 delivered on 16 July 1981. They would convert both SC/Carreras
or Turbos. Juergen Barth agrees with that as well (see his Porsche Specials
book from 1984)
Since I wrote Original 911 somebody contacted me (in 2004)to say they had
the first slant-nose, VIN 93ZBS000136, delivered in June 1980. It appears to
be the car shown on the thread you sent me. I didn't see any record of that
car in Porsche, but of course, that doesn't mean to say they didn't do it.
The then-owner said he had a letter of authenticity from Porsche also. The
owner of the 1980 slant nose said the car was first manufactured (as a
regular 911 Turbo) in June 1980 and delivered to its owner in October the
same year. Apparently the car carries a dash plaque reading G/S/A-0/13/31.
The first and last letters are reported to stand for the first customer's
name - Gerhard Ammann, with the S likely standing for Sonderwunschen. It's
not a numbering system I've seen before in Porsche (but I'm always
learning).

The bottom line is that I suspect that (like many things to do with Porsche
before the mid-1990s), the number of slant-noses made before the car became
a regular production option/model is unknown. As somebody else noted on the
threads, there is evidence the Repair workshop were converting
already-delivered customer cars with special modifications (the RS).
That would explain why I didn't see any build records for such cars (a
different accounting cost code). It's so difficult to be sure on
authenticity as rumours and hearsay get passed down the years and soon what
was once just conjecture becomes 'must be right' fact.
It is also very straightforward for a modern bodyshop to receate these
cars.I would agree with one of the forum contributors that a good majority
of slant-noses are probably fakes - in the 1980s you could buy bolt on
panels from every self-respecting Porsche specialist.
The problem only comes when individuals go looking for large values from
these cars. It's down to those owners to prove they have something special
and for the market to decide if the car warrants special valuation.
By the way, both the black and the white slant-noses shown in the threads
look as though they have early front bumpers (with the four square
headlights and big square turn signals). The Ruf wheels and teardrop mirrors
are obviously later fitments. That doesn't mean to say they are the genuine
articles however.
I interviewed the old head of the Repair workshop some years ago and he said
they did bespoke conversions all the time. There was another slant-nose
conversion for an Arabian Sheik that had a special under dash compartment
for a machine pistol! There are allegedly other stories about payment
methods I can't relate in print.

The very, very important thing today is establishing whether these cars are
authentic. There are some very good sounding stories surrounding special
classic Porsches these days, but the important thing is to see authentic,
original, documentary provenance."

Hope that helps,

Peter
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Thanks WERK-I for posting that. Good info.
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That looks great mede8er.
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Interesting,... Later with the 505 option production they changed the assembly process, assuming our assumptions ( in some cases ) are accurate.
That is very true as referenced by the article below which I found last night while looking around for any of my Slantnose Turbo info...

Automobile Magazine, June 1987, Vol 2, NO.3

PORSCHE EXCLUSIVE

Page 46: Porsche had to carry out a full crash-test cycle to ensure that the car meets U.S. safety standards. a few weeks after this program was successfully completed, Rudi Noppen, board member in charge of production, decided to build the majority of slantnose bodies on the normal assembly line together with the other body styles (coupe, targa, and convertible). "All these cars used to be handmade in a building adjacent to our repair department," he says. "But now that demand has jumped 300 units a year, we are going to build almost all of them in the main production hall."

Porsche has now introduced some other fundamental changes to the company's working methods. Rainer Ulbrich, who runs the factory conversion workshop, explains: "In the past, the entire slant nose assembly was 100 percent made by hand. The bodies came off the line with the new fenders already welded in place, but the cutting of the headlight openings and the ventilation slots on the top of the fenders was, like the panel beating, done by our craftsmen. In the future, however, we are going to use ready made fenders, which means that work over here will be restricted to installing the headlamp linkage and fitting the sills and the rear air intakes.

Keeping in mind the lead time of magazine publications.. the interview and work-up for this article was probably done sometime in early to mid 86.
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I guess I should have said for 87-89 M505 cars since kilodawgs is in this range.

I agree that there were 3 versions of the 930S over the years.

The one in the picture is a Voltaire and was the first 930S wheel. That wheel came in my 79 DP935.

The question is what cars came with the 2nd version of the 930S wheel? I don't recall these coming on M505 factory slants. Does anyone?

I love the feel of the wheel.

I have all 3 of the 930S wheels and need to get them together for a picture sometime.
That would make a nice photo!!


Think you could still get this wheel as an option.. I recall it being available well into 88 or 89. Looked at purchasing one for another non-slant car.

The car in the photo is an M505 car, believe 88 or 89 that was at LA Porsche Dismantlers just a couple of months ago. Car had an engine fire and back half was burned. (notice dust an chemical residue throughout interior)

They were trying to sell the tub at one point, don't think there were any takers..may still be there. Could verify Vin and option codes.
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Console in my 86.....
mede8er: My console is very similar to yours. My lower dash knee pads actually extend down to the upper sides of the console. I think these may have been earlier 'Sonderwunschen'/ special wishes consoles.

The later M505 consoles typically appear as those shown in the burgundy interior shot.
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Interesting. The center console in my '88 M505 is typical turbo/Carrera style albeit covered in leather. In fact everything in the center between the seats is from the console to the automatic climate control system, the seat belt receivers and even the button on the end of the parking brake while standard in the parts themselves is covered with leather.

In fact my receivers have some scuffing in a few spots so I will need to have them pulled and sent out to be redone if anyone even does that kind of work.
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kilodawg, that article that you posted mentioned the covered safety belt buckles. Porsche charged $275 for that option. It is on page 49 next to the white slantnose cab.
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Interesting. The center console in my '88 M505 is typical turbo/Carrera style albeit covered in leather. In fact everything in the center between the seats is from the console to the automatic climate control system, the seat belt receivers and even the button on the end of the parking brake while standard in the parts themselves is covered with leather.

In fact my receivers have some scuffing in a few spots so I will need to have them pulled and sent out to be redone if anyone even does that kind of work.
Same here, all standard interior features. Doesn't even have the additional leather accents you mention. Basically, it's all mechanical upgrades (tuned engine option), and exterior upgrades (slantnose and vents). The piece below also mentions a BBS wheels and suspension upgrade. The car, when I purchased it, had Etoile 16" wheels. I'm not sure if they were offered by the Special Wishes program.....so many unanswered questions.
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My 87 came with the BBS wheel option, color coded. I want to put some RUF wheels on it but will keep the BBS wheels in case I need them again, or change my mind.
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The bodies came off the line with the new fenders already welded in place, but the cutting of the headlight openings and the ventilation slots on the top of the fenders was, like the panel beating, done by our craftsmen.
Here's some more info that confirms how the factory custom made (welded) the front fenders of the the SN cars.
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.......Then they were going to start using the ready made fenders. But who knows what year they started that.
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That statement could mean that the later cars were not sent out to have the custom work done. Who knows. My point is that is the early factory SN cars had custom welded front fenders, not stamped. We are getting somewhere now.
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Lots of great new information/articles to feed on. Maybe soon the clay feet of uncertainty and doubt will crumble.

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Put the Egg Nog down....

zcoker,

This whole fender thing has me a bit confused. Can you explain to me what you mean by custom welded fenders verses stamped and then factor this picture from the article I posted yesterday into that description.



I want to be sure I get your point in regards to what I was thinking.

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That fender photo indicates that at some time the fenders were stamped as slant fenders then the vents were added. The fenders on my car by AJ Racing must have been ordered at that time of development..... So it started stock fenders cut to slant, some with vents added, then stamped slant fenders, some with vents added, then fenders stamped with vents. That seems to be the way it happened according to the previous post on this thread. Now it is just a matter of getting SN#s to pinpoint when the changes occurred.

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Thanks that's where I thought you were going.

I think it's clear(?) that at some point during the production run (pre M505 cars I'd imagine) the vents were added after the slant fenders were installed on the car. However, I'm not sure I understand how or if the trail started with stock fenders being cut to slant. There just doesn't seem to be enough fender left to work with after you cut down the originals....Not saying impossible mind you just hasn't gotten into my head yet as to how.

I'm starting to see that early on the flat top portion of the slant fender could have been cut out and a vented panel welded into place but that's about as far as I've gotten.
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