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I'm in for one. PM me your paypal ID and the total.
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:16 PM
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Hi everyone,

I just happened across this post and I'm intrigued by this drain setup.

My question - what is the difference between the sump plate setup that Ben is using and the sump bolt setup that Phil (KPCSG) is using?

My car is a 2.7L, so I don't know if either of these are applicable to me, but I'm glad to see a solution that doesn't involve 1) gravity drain into cam cover, or 2) some sort of scavenge pump.

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Old 07-06-2007, 07:41 AM
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The later cars don't have a sump plate so people use the drain plug instead!
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Hi everyone,

I just happened across this post and I'm intrigued by this drain setup.

My question - what is the difference between the sump plate setup that Ben is using and the sump bolt setup that Phil (KPCSG) is using?

My car is a 2.7L, so I don't know if either of these are applicable to me, but I'm glad to see a solution that doesn't involve 1) gravity drain into cam cover, or 2) some sort of scavenge pump.

- Damion
yours would have to work with the sump plate solution I use. I think I have 1 left after all this..
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Ben,

How much do you want for the plate?

Also - what exactly did you do to the plate? Add a new spot for the drain plug and add a nipple for the scavenge line?

Thanks,
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:19 PM
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Bens sump plate looks like this...vinly tubing on ine is a test hose


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I am interested in this sump also. Is anyone still using a Rayjay with this setup, and happy?
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I have a Rajay:
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:31 PM
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I was selling them for 90 bucks shipped. If you want one I will order another one up and weld the fittings on but unfortunatly with the dismal response for payment on the last go around I would need payment 1st.. Not getting stuck with these again..
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Ben,

Looks like a really nice setup and really answers the concerns I had with the oil return.

Do you take paypal?

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No sorry we do not just check or credit card but to note for our host this is 1 off custom work ..
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Update:
I had sent the turbo back to Tim's Turbos to look it over. He put in a gapless ring on the turbine side. I put it back in Saturday...still smoked like mad. I spoke to Tim today. He said the turbo is fine, and it's a drain issue. I showed and described the vinyl tubing test, and how it looked good on the drain. Tim said basically do not believe all you see. So, at his suggestion, I drained the turbo directly into a catch can, and plugged the sump drain line so all my oil wouldn't pour out.

It stopped smoking!

I guess I get enough crankcase pressure in the line to pressurize ever so slightly the drain cavity in the turbo. So, now how do I fix it? I will surmise the Rajay's are a bit more finicky than the Garrett or Turbonetics units on draining, or, as Tim puts it "that's why they went out of business". I am thinking to put a tee in the drain line, with one line to the drain of the turbo, the other to the sump, and one line to atmosphere, up high in the engine compartment. Question is, will I introduce cavitation in the oil pump pickup? Plan B is the electric oil pump, back into the left cover, ot the sump tank.

BTW, shameless plug for Tim's Turbos in Falls Chuch, VA, Customer service above and beyond, and provides the absolute correct answers.

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Pat - if that is the problem you are having you need an oil sump like those used on the stock 930. They have a vent that attaches to the air cleaner. On my car I just put a small filter on it. Do not "T" your line, it will hydro lock and with enough pressure shoot up the "T". You need an actual catch can or tank that has open atmosphere at the top. Once that is taken care of you have to clear the path for the oil. If the engine sump is pressurised it will not allow the oil in.
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Thanks Brian:
So, basically, any kind of "can" I can fit down there with an atmo vent on top should be sufficient? Inlet above the outlet? I'll have to find a picture of the stock 930 setup.
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Pat - I'll post some pictures for you this evening. I assume you are having an air/hydro lock. If that is the case then a small tank should fix the problem.
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RarlyL8,
That was one of the concerns when I mounted the B&B header system on my car. The lower sump catch tank looks smaller than the factory can and is not vented like the factory tank.
People have commented that when I back off throttle after a strong pull, there would be one or two "poofs" of blue smoke coming out the exhaust pipe. I thought it may be the oil tank reservoir vent line that goes to the air intake. Maybe it's not?
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The turbo oiling system in a 930 is an active scavange, the oiling system on the aftermarket applications is active feed and passive gravity drain. Personally I prefer an air vent but I can see on a 930 where it is not essential due to the oil being pumped from the sump. I have no idea if it cavitates but I would suspect that it does due to the scavenge pump being run off the cam shaft. The push/pull is likely not perfectly matched.
All that boosing pressure on and off throughout the various systems of the engine tends to force oil into some strange places.
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Well now that I am on the verge of starting my turbo project over, I'm just curious where you came up with the part of your crossover pipe below the turbo. It looks premade.
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BTW, I simply put in a tee with a 1/4 bull, and vented up to the engine compartment. Seems to work OK. I'll do a permanent line with the atmospheric vent this week.
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Nice, there is hope for the Rayjay yet.
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