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930 vs 993

Have any of you 930 guys driven a 993? Can you compare? Similar weight, horsepower, torque. Different suspension. What are they like to drive for street - highway use, no track.

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Old 01-26-2007, 06:41 PM
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I looked at 993 before I purchased my 930. The 993 was quick of the mark (NA) and was vey civilized to drive. The 930 on the other hand is just the opposite. A rough and ready, balls out fast car.
The 930 was easily my choice but it's different strokes for different folks. The 930 is still the toughest looking of the 911 series IMO. I get a rush every time the boost comes on. I like the way it's err...interesting to drive fast through the twisties.
Once again, park a nice 930 next to any other 911 series car and they fade in comparison. Nothing quite says " look at me like that again and I'll smash your face in" like a tough 930.
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Go test drive each & I think you'll find out very quickly which one you like.

For street, if you care for comfort, civilized, and modern feel, you can't beat the 993. If you are after adrenalin, excitement, then the 930 is great.

On the track, a stock 930 will not have any advantage over a 993 in a short course. But then, who drives a stock 930 on track If it has any straights, .... In corners, even my tracked-oriented 930 will not run away that quickly from a slightly modified 993.
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Adrenalin, excitement, getting my ass pushed back in the seat does it for me. It's starting to sound like an 89 930 is for me. I'm a decent mechanic so the 89 may be more user friendly. The electronics of the 993 scare me a bit.
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Nothing quite says " look at me like that again and I'll smash your face in" like a tough 930.
LMAO!!! Amen to that brother

I like the 993... especially the "S" version, with the turbobody

They are much more civilised to drive on a daily basis and have far more creature comforts than our raw 930's.

I wouldn't mind getting a 993 C2S and turbocharging it using turbo 3.8 P&C's. Already has twin plugs, nice torque and better coil-over suspension. It'd make an awesome daily street rocket as well as a fast track monster
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As others point out, they are very different cars.

The 993 is a great car on the street and track (my SECOND favorite). But, you can't beat a 930 for pure driving exhilaration!
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My friend has a beautiful, super low mileage, mint, bone stock 97 C2S. I compare them as follows:

C2S = a very nice, comfotable, refined car that is easy to drive and is quick enough to put some scare into you.

930= a scarey machine that rides just civilized enough to be used as a normal driver.

My moderately tuned 930 isn't SO MUCH faster, but it is the delivery of that power that really makes the experience different. Also the absence of traction control, anti-lock brakes, and other computerized vehicle controls make the 930 a much more intense driving experience. In the 930 good driving is rewarding and bad driving is ...well..you might not be posting about, it if you get my drift

I think it is all about personal tastes, if you enjoy and really nice, well appointed, sweet ride that still performs the 993 is for you. If you want raw driving experience the 930 is for you.

With me and my friend, we both made the right choice. I bet most people we know aren't surprised with the cars we chose. I would suspect it would follow suit for most 993/930 owners. Different strokes for different folks. While I would enjoy his 993 for awhile, I would be bored soon enough... and likewise he would quickly become disatisfied with my cars lack of manners and refinement.
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Adrenalin, excitement, getting my ass pushed back in the seat does it for me. It's starting to sound like an 89 930 is for me.
Hope you have better luck in your search than I've had...unless you want to spend $65K or more....then it seems you have several options for an '89 930...

I'm hoping spring brings some reasonable owners/sellers
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I agree with everyones comments, but if you want some of the comforts of the 993, but the raw feel (with the exception of the steering) don't overlook the 91 and 92 964 based turbos.

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I've driven my friend's 88 930. And I just got a 993. A couple of details to think about:
* the 4 speed in the 930 is all over the place. I mean, like rowing a boat. I used to have a Camry with a stick and it was better. My car has the short shift option, but I assume all of the 993s feel pretty good. I never think about it.
* The AC in the 930 was just enough to keep you from sweating and that was about it. Here in Florida it's a requirement. Not sure what it's like where you are. The 993 climate control works great.

Not denigrating the 930, but a 930 is a little extra commitment. It might be worth finding either, but getting one in the right shape at the right price...
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don't overlook the 91 and 92 964 based turbos.

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I'd have to agree with you here. My friend has a 964 based turbo and it's as comfortable as a 993, but still has the brute acceleration of a 930. Having said that, I still kick his butt tho

Perhaps you should look at one of those, or a 93-94 model Turbo 3.6
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I don't belive we got the 3.6 turbo until 94, and then it was a one year only deal.

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I don't belive we got the 3.6 turbo until 94, and then it was a one year only deal.

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I also think it was just '94 for the 3.6 Turbo. Makes them a bit more rare (and expensive).
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Here in the UK we have some registered in '93. They are of course MY'94 though.
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The way I look at it is the 930 was raw and visceral. The 993 refined and boulevard.
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My friend has a mint 97 C2S and when I first drove it, it felt like a great, very fast , good handling, hard core sports car. Now after I bought my 930, the 993 (while still just as great a car) feels like a refined grand touring auto. Nothing wrong with that, just an illustration of how different they are

The 993 is beautiful, refined, comfortable, easier to drive, smoother handling, has better HVAC, has antilock brakes, has power steering, has a better gearbox, has cruise control, has a better sound system, is quieter, rides smoother and is a great sports car.

The 930 is, ruggedly handsome, raw, nasty, frightening to drive, smells like unburnt fuel, needs some muscle to steer, harder to drive, shifts like my John Deere...BUT she does leave a lasting impression on all that meet her..... a pure sports car.

Comfort and "relatively" exciting = 993

Excitement and "relatively" comfortable = 930

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I owned both. F350Lawman explained the differences very well.

I don't have either car now and had the 930 after the 993, but if I had to do it again, I think I'd lean toward the later technologies 993 if using frequently. The 930 was great on the highway and when moving, but the lack of power steering around the neighborhood made it "less than nimble". I also upgraded its AC so it worked well but older 911 AC, even if upgraded, is recirculate only. The 993 has a real AC system. It's just a more modern car, more civilized for use in the real world.

As you probably know, only the '89 930 had the 5-speed. All other years had 4-speeds. Many don't see this as a problem but I prefered the 5-speed. The 993 has 6-speeds of course but is geared tall so that around town I found myself in second gear much of the time. This was a dissatisfier and one of the reasons I sold it. I also didn't like the spoiler going up and down, up and down between every stop light on a low-speed road. I thought it made me look stupid, like I was trying to be boy racer or something. I found a RUF spoiler control module that kept the spoiler down until about 70 MPH -- a very nice mod IMO.

I haven't owned a 964 Turbo, but it's sort of a cross between the two with power steering and 993-like AC but some of the older generation characteristic rawness too. Could be a good option if you like the 964 heavier bumper look.
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The 930 makes a great spare car available for the occasional adrenaline thrill, impractical but a hoot to drive. The 993 could be driven daily, while talking on the cellphone. At least they're both air-cooled.
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I had a hard time with this EXACT decision. I spent lots of time debating the differences between the 930 and 993. I bought the 930 cause of a life long dream. But now, I'm wondering if the 993 wasn't the better decision. I mean I don't like the finicky CIS and all that is associated with it. But on the other hand I wouldn't have bought a regular 993. I was looking at the C2S, C4S and the turbos. I think if I had it to do all over again I would pick up a 993 turbo or a, should I bite my tongue?, 2001/2002 turbo. They are relatively inexpensive now and they are AWESOME!

I just want to clarify though that I don't regret buying my 4 speed 930. I melt when I see it, especially when clean sitting still. Not to mention, they are easily tuneable/adjustable and easily and relatively priced to modify.

Just more food for thought....
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....... I mean I don't like the finicky CIS and all that is associated with it....
Finicky? Once the CIS is setup right, the system just runs and runs and runs........ Look at all the BMW's, Mercedes', Porsche's still running with the Bosch injection system that came from the factory.
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