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Angry 930 shifter

I am looking for a spring centered, shortest throw shifter for an 86' 930. I want the Wevo setup, but refuse to pay $595 for a rod bracket and pivot ball. Are there any cost effective but serious alternatives to this or do I bite it and get the Wevo?
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Old 02-12-2007, 07:05 PM
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I got to talk to and discuss with two WEVO reps at the Ventura Pcar show. If I had the $600 I would buy their shifter. It is so precise that it will "Click" when it enters a gear. It has a very short throw and it is well machined and several options for the lever and knob are available. I was impressed with it and I am real picky. It is a lot of money and I don't have a clue what their cost is but the fact that it NEVER goes on sale should tell us something.
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Mark Hargett makes one. I think it sits above the tunnel. Have read good things about it, but it's probably in the same price range.

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Bite it and get the WEVO.

I have one in my 930 and had one in the 915 trans 3.6 SC.
There is nothing better.
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Saw a HG shifter in a 930 right by my house --- IMO, it looks completely ridiculous.
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Yup..

I've got a Wevo in my car as well.. Very percise with noticeable
difference.

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See 4th picture from the top of the following page:


Even if changing shift units to stiffer and shorter version...
I've been thinking of building the whole shifting pack higher, more near steering wheel, something like is done here in the 930 of Qwarnis.
But this is probably not an option to drop the amount of work and/or expense.
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That looks similar in design/purpose as the hargett.

http://www.pelicanbbs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292417&highlight=hargett
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That looks similar in design/purpose
Yes, the idea of lifting the level is very same as Fabcar design made for 935 racing cars in 80ies. And the movement of the shifter in your sample is similar as Fabcar and Wevo offers.

Except:
Qvarnis doesn't have any more uni-joint in the shifter: it only slides as T-bone forward and backward and makes shifting really precise: less bending joints, less loose.
Of course with that kind of modification the shifting figure will work vice versa ( the gears you used to find with movement to front will be found from the rear of the figure etc. Left and right stays of course (rear near you, longer gears far from you) in their original places. I've tried it last summer and liked it a lot: it is precise like driving Formula 3000 .
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I have the same problem with the short shifter. I find myself leaning over to shift into the forward two positions. Has anyone heard of a longer shift shaft? It would seem that a small insert onto the original shaft with a bend towards the driver would work. Has anyone ever seen such a thing?
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I want to get the wevo because the fact that it is spring centered and I think it also has dentents. However, the Harget is set up like my old C4 box in my other car.... nice and short. I am still trying to get over the bus like shifter in my car. As far as the wevo goes, would its precision allow me to bang gears a little safer? I dont abuse my box that bad now (that didnt sound right...) but I will be drag racing it on occasion and I notice that the slop in the shifter seems bad enough that it could be causing damage to the syncros- is this accurate?
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From what I learned from thr WEVO people, it is impossible to miss a shift. Playing with their mockup shifter, I was able to hit the gear I wanted every time, even trying to make it sloppy.
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For me, on the 1/2 next to the 3/4 plane was pretty close in parallel with the WEVO shifter. But I never once had a problem, even during hot & heavy track use.
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Wevo makes a tall shift knob. Since they use a pretty hefty allen head bolt to secure it you may be able to make a taller knob. You should talk to them.
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"As far as the wevo goes, would its precision allow me to bang gears a little safer? I dont abuse my box that bad now (that didnt sound right...) but I will be drag racing it on occasion and I notice that the slop in the shifter seems bad enough that it could be causing damage to the syncros- is this accurate?"
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Yipes. The WEVO engages the gears quicker per inch of 'stroke' - so yes you will be banging if you choose. And if you choose that, you will be chewing through dog teeth and synchros too.

WEVO allows more accuracy and a much higher level of safety - just don't romp into the next gear, as the *gears will be engaging just like they used to - more than likely even quicker* if you don't realize what function you just changed - ie quicker engagement per unit of 'stroke'

Porsches boxes don't like to be excessively rushed.
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Porsches boxes don't like to be excessively rushed.
Truth- my 1-2 shift is particularly finicky.
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I used to shift my 180,000 mile C4 box as fast as a turbo 400 with ratchet shift. All this while putting down 364 hp and 370 ft lbs to the tire. I just didnt care if I blew it because I was going for a friend's 96 twin box. Well, never got that and the guy who bought the C4 is on his way to 235,000 miles and still no problem. I dont know why, but the beast handled my abuse, including an occasional 6000 rpm stutter-box launch.... 1.89 60 foot time. I hope my 930 trans sevices me as well or maybe the luck ran out,
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I have nice 580rwhp / +600rwNm with 1.1bar boost in my street legal FIA-spec car. (see 'www' button below)
Last summer I got 13000km full since everything rebuild (exept gear box). Ex- owner, a good racer fellow of mine, had the car driven about 50t km alltogether with the same engine (with 0,6bar and 480hp in it). One day on the track just when leaving the pits for a fast lap, coudn't get any gear in any more...

Now it is rebuild with all new syncros (I didn't loose them, because I shift down always only with douple clutch shifting and balancing the speed differences with the gas pedal).
I know his way to drive and even if it is said 4-gear 930 box is safe and strong, they do wear under certain circumstances.

I'm building the shifting system not because of having some problem with the shifting, but to get the stick more near the wheel and to make all movements very short to be faster (especially in the fast corners in the track) to get both hands to the steering wheel.
When passing fast corners (for instance in Nürburgring or Spa-Francorchamps) with semi-slicks, downforce diffusor bottom plate you really like to have both hands in the wheel if you find it bumpy...

You were right Craig911 when asking the use where one would use his car.
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I love my Hargett Shifter!!!!!
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Try the siene shifter kit works pretty goog $ 125.00
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