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I'll just add something little here
the zd16/lc1 requires you to have your laptop sitting there hooked up while you're driving in order to record logs.
kcpsg has this set up. It's sort of awkward
that said, the innovate gauge is cool.

but the lm1 unit itself accomplishes the same thing and does the recording. There are $25 gauges that plug into the output of the lm1.
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Robert - you have a PM -
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Thanks Jerry, I didn't know that about the LM-1.
I did see that Innovate do a full logger (if you don't want to use a laptop) but it costs approx $400.
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I was looking over there again and found this page.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTS_grid.php
it has everthing lined up so you don't have to search back and forth

I personally have the lm1 with rpm converter and a remote led gauge in the dash.
But mostly I just glance at my fuel pressure gauge on boost to see it climb as it should
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Craig,

I need to be more careful of what I write as a personnel quote from other people because I realize that isnt what you said verbatim but I was truly trying to using the spirit of it. I need to be more careful..Sorry

What is a PM? Does that mean Evening?I hope... not a Post Menstral.. Actually had a firepit with a good Porsche buddy last night and talked about Porsches, guns and beer

I was telling him how much you guys are helpful. Have you beat up my k27-3DLZ thread yet?

Oh Last thing I was going to check my fuel pressure today.. Change my fuel filter. Where is a good place to tee into the high pressure line. What Should the pressure be nominally? Help...My Haynes manual is not to explicite..

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Bob, PM means Private Message. Hit the small User CP button at the top right of your screen. The control panel will show your unread and read Private Messages.

Beers+Porsche talk+Fire pit= Great times
Let's make that a weekend ritual.

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No problem, Robert.

We all start in this obsession at some time with zip, and none of us are born with any Porsche knowledge.
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So what headers - if any do you have? Fabspeed muffler only with stock 'headers'?
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I bolted on the Fabspeed muffler when I removed the cat. Runs much better now. I was trying to avoid taking my car to the shop and paying outrageous amounts for anything...But the thorough CIS check out is obviously necessary. I was just hoping that the AFR biz and typical fuel system checkout (Pressure + Volume) would be reasonable at home.

What does a good checkout entail?

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Craig, Nathan,

What should the fuel pressure be nominally? and like I asked in my other thread where can you check it...Seems like somewhere after the fuel filter...Correct? Can The injectors be cleaned at home? I installed a small permanent fuel pressure gauge on my boat motor made by Autometer years back and it was helpful...Is this a good idea just to keep an eye on the fuel pressure? Whatta ya think?

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I do not know. I have an adjustable WUR which is to the point now where small adjustments are being made and then I am done.

Keeping in mind the California smog rules - your car would probably benefit from a se of headers (or does his year have the decent exhaust?)

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RarlyL8 is really knowledgeable with WUR pressures/checkups -
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Jerry, thanks for the posting. What remote LED gauge have you got in your dash ?

Robert, I know the factory manual tells you where to hook up some CIS test gauges to test pressures.

As for fuel delivery pressures I am not sure. From what I recall they have to be very high though.
Hopefully Brian/RarlyL8 will advise us.
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Fitting - New service kit.
Needs Fitting - Innovate XD-16 Kit, Kokeln IC. Stephen's K27 HFS, EVO Intake Assy & his Modded USA Fuel Head.

1983 UK 911 3.2 Carrera Sport Coupe. Black, Black Leather with Red Piping, Black Alloy Gear Knob, K&N Air Filter Element, Turbo Tie rods.
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this book is the best I've found for bosch stuff, CIS and motronic, if you're really gonna get involved with your own maintenance .this is the book to have http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-Fuel-Injection-Engine-Management/dp/0837603005/sr=8-4/qid=1172443063/ref=sr_1_4/105-8426958-3330024?ie=UTF8&s=books
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I have a gauge exactly like this except I can't find where I got it for about 25$
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=171
it was from some place I'd never ordered from before and didn't save the website

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The system/cold/hot/boost fuel pressure ranges are slightly different for each year and type 930 engine. If you can give me the engine type number (930/xx) from your engine I can get you the ranges.

As for testing your pressure, you need to purchase or make a CIS pressure gauge. They go for around $60 and hook up between the WUR fuel outlet and the fuel head.






This chart is for a '78 930 using an 054 WUR.


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This also might be a good time for a shop recommendation for Robert, who live in Rancho Cucamonga.
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Brian do you recall the supply pressure after the filter ?
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System pressure is 6.2-6.5 bar or around 90 psi.
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Thanks, that seems alot of pressure.
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I think the crack pressure for the injectors is 60 lbs.
The tester will test/verify, as well as leakage and flow rate.
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A note for your WBO2 installation. The WBO2 sensors are sensitive to pressure - to get accurate readings you must install the WBO2 after the turbo - preferably as far as you can (just before muffler). I found that my WBO2 read down to 10.5 using the normal O2 bung on a set of GHLs, however, when moved, it was reading 12.

I am using a TECH EDGE WBO2, which is the most economical solution that i have found so far (however, i assembled it myself). It has a digital display that you can put in the cockpit area). They have a nice LED display now.

http://techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/default.htm
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Thanks Mic..let me digest all this and then I will start asking more intelligent questions...Thanks to all. Craig....I will be resistant to take my car to another mechanic because beneath it all I'm my favorite mechanic. What I dont know about Porsches I will surely learn...from you guys! Hah!...fair enough...

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