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Mounting B&B headers (w/heat), K27 7200, and FS muffler, need any special stuff?

Curious as to what i'm going to run into during the swap. I do have to install a WB Oxy sensor (LC-1 / XD16) and want to find the optimal spot for it also.. Any special adapters needed?

Thanks as always, this IS the best tech forum..
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:00 AM
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Nice upgrade, you should see a marked improvement in power and reduced turbo lag. Make sure CIS system is operating properly. Rear bumper and lower valance removal is necessary. Some basic info...

The biggest headache in your conversion will be the stock heat exchanger removal, the %#&$ exhaust barrel nuts. Please saturate the 12 nuts from all angles daily with PB Blaster. Use the correct tools (as mentioned in other 911 heat exchanger removal posts). Pray that you don't break off a stud.

K27 will need an adapter to fit properly, see the post on billet adapter in this forum. Also, the bracket will need to be modified for proper fit. Use new o-rings too. I will be doing a K27 install in two weeks, so I will be seeking bracket mod info as well.

Fabspeed muffler should fit fine.

Use the LC1 to check A/F ratio before and after mods, then give us some data!
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:13 PM
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Thanks William, i'll look for the post on adapters and see waht else i'll need as far as gaskets, etc.

Here's a pic of the mess as it stands, i'll be dropping engine and tranny for cleaning.
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I have been down this road and wrote a Tech article that turned into a 2page Thread over on Rennlist, but for the benefit of yourself and other members who will be travelling down this road (pardon the pun!!).

Do as william says and soak those barrel nuts like crazy over 2days with PB. AND PLEASE use an Impact gun, as the impact (hammering) action will break the nuts loose, if you use a breaker bar you will end putting so much torque on the stud, thats how people break them. If you do not own an Impact Gun, do yourself a favor and buy one, I like the Electric 1/2" ones - they are cheap brand new too or check your local Pawn shops.

Rear Bumper has to come off for sure!

You really need a buddy to come and help as well or a patient wife \ girlfriend to help. If you do not need the emissions, here is an opportune time to junk them.







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Thanks. If you look in the picture I posted you should note the bumper is long gone.. I do have several impacts (air) and i'l certainly follow the sage advice of PB soak. From the holes in the rotted HE's on the car it appears i'll have to use 3/8" gear.

What is the URL for the RL thread? Always looking for input!
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Hello Gary,

I am currently doing similar project.
The heat exchanger remove needs your full attention!

After looking on the nuts there, for me was clear:
This needs to be a game, me against 12 nuts.
For me only 1 result was acceptable: 12:0

I went down in the garage nearly every evening,
sprayed them, turned each slightly for nearly
10 days.
At the end the result was 12:0,
but it was not easy!
Some of the barrel nuts I needed to cut with dremel.

But when all this old and heavy header/heatexchanger thing is off,
you will be very happy!

I have a question for the specialists here:
The new small oil cannister which is mounted on
the turbo has only one outlet.
The old black one has a hose connection to the IC.
Should I simply leave this vent hose off
and close the IC where the hose was before?


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Hello Gary,

I have a question for the specialists here:
The new small oil cannister which is mounted on
the turbo has only one outlet.
The old black one has a hose connection to the IC.
Should I simply leave this vent hose off
and close the IC where the hose was before?


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I don't think it goes to the IC though, it should be going into the airbox, pretty much right where the airbox ties into the air/fuel metering assembly. I still need to do something with that myself.. as a temporary, I stuffed the hose with a Rag really tight. I though of putting in a Wine cork inthe airbox hole.. It fits nice and snug/tight, but I don't know if cork goes bad with heat. And of course I don't want the engine to ingest it.
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I found a nut splitter essential for removing headers and turbo etc. I didn't think to use a air gun.

No broken studs when I used this on any nuts.

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As for sensor location, this is something I will need to do at some point.
I found this thread very interesting. 911rudy gave some great advice from his experience.
My thanks to Rudy !
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I'm going to try the brazing torch to heat the nuts red and see if they come off. Advice I got today while at Zone 1 Tech Tactics said not to waste my time with PB Blaster if I had a torch.. If that doesn't do it them its dremel or a nut splitter!
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Now I have to share this story and please no one laugh. I was changing out the old heat exchangers off of the car I just recently sold, I Pb blasted everything etc etc. The barrels all came off thankfully, so Im down to the last 2 and i partially loosened them to try to move the heat exchangers loose- they wouldnt budge so I thought the were just stuck to the heads. Like a dumba$$, i get under there and drop the last 2 barrel nuts and about 3 seconds after the last one was out BANG! The origonal 50 lbs. + exchangers landed on my head and it hurt bad. It was total havoc as the drop light blew up at the same time from being crushed.
Try not to fall out of your chairs laughing because I still do from time to time.
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I had to pull mine off, they were really stuck on there. I was convinced I had missed something.
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Well, the nuts all came off pretty nicely except one, which snapped off as soon as I put pressure on it flush with the header flange.. so I should have no trouble getting it out and replacing it (as I plan to do with all of them).

What the heck do I use to get to the allen bolts? I was thinking my 3/8 ratchet with a 10mm socket but UH-UH.. holes in HB are too small.. Another special wrench?

Is it 8mm or 10mm?
Two are listed here... http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/ksearch/PEL_search.cgi?command=show_part_page&please_wait=N&make=POR&model=911E&section=ENGwiz&page=3&bookmark=17&part_number=PEL-TOL-A10MM

PEL-TOL-A10MM
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PEL-TOL-P243
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I dont know the size, every one of them including the ones I worked on at Porsche were always mixed and matched from previous butchery. Im thinking they should be 8 mill.
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I think they are 8mm. I took an ordinary allen key, cut off the short handle and placed it in a 8mm socket. When I realised that this was the way to snap off the studs I quit and used a nut splitter with 100% results, no damage to any of the remaining studs at all.
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Yes, they are 8mm. My shop let me borrow the wrench. I thought they were bolts! Imagine my surprise when they came off... all came off fine.
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Moving along, the old garbage is all off and I now find I have to move a main (hard) oil line that wraps around the rear of the engine and move it up front. Also, aren't those wastegate bolts fun? Had to chisel off 3 of 4 on one flange and had a broken stud on the other (was prev. broken, I was able to get all 3 nuts off that side)..
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I got bored of trying to resuscitate my wastegate and bought a Tial.
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