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930 EFI - Ignition question
Just got my 930 back from having the new EFI tuned at the local dyno. I admit that the car drives pretty much the same as it did before I EFI'd it.
The max TQ/HP that it was producing on the dyno is still below the factory figures for a stock 930 engine. I am a bit worried that there might be some other issue (Like cam timing). One thing I did notice was that there is a LOT of ignition advance now. There is 37deg at 3000rpm. I have checked the cam timing twice before, should I do it again? I am open to suggestions and ideas. Steve
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03-10-2007, 05:37 PM
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Curious, are you still running the factory intake manifold, or Carrera manifold?
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03-10-2007, 06:30 PM
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what? me worry?
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Something is not right...
but we also need more info regarding your engines set up
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Hi Steve,
Something must be wrong if you don't notice a difference with the EFI. My motor put out maybe 50 more hp with EFI. But I did change a few things at the same time. Is that 37 deg advance at cruise or WOT. At cruise I run about 44 degs and at WOT about 25 degs.
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03-10-2007, 06:47 PM
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Thanks guys..
here is the setup I'll post a pic when I get home today. Goingsuperfast EFI Kit Wasted Spark EDIS system 55lb Siemens Low impedance Injectors 36-1 Trigger wheel Factory 930 Intake manifold - Billet Injector Blocks Factory Intercooler Factory Diverter Valve Innovate LC-1 Wideband EMS Stinger ECU K27-7200 Turbo Aftermarket Exhaust That 37deg is at cruise. I'll post the ignition map tonight.
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What cams? Are you twin plugged or single?
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Stock Cams Single Plugged Ford EDIS CoilPack 0.8 bar boost
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I was a bit dissapointed whan I changed the 3DLZ for the K27-7200, I noticed a bit of an earlier spool but it missed the rush of the 3DLZ when it came on boost.
I have recently purchades a TIG welder and I would consider doing some fabrication and installing a GT35. Has anyone else reading this done this?
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If I were you I would change the cams and build a big ass intercooler with you new tig welder.
Also what dyno are you using?
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03-11-2007, 05:14 PM
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My 2 cents... 37 degree at cruise seems to be very high.
I think even the NA cars only runs 32-33 degree max?
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03-12-2007, 05:52 AM
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What freekin Oil Leak?
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If your HP/TQ values are truly below the factory specs with that setup, then I think you do have an issue.
Mike (mppickett ) has a spark table that advances his EDIS/Megasquirt ignition to as high as 36 degrees but only over a very short range during acceleration. You may already know this, but you cannot use the timing lights with the selectable advance on EDIS systems. This will give you a faulty reading. You have to set the light to zero degrees and then read the advance using the pulley markings.
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