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Lets hope we have many more mild winters here in NC, or you will have to put your kids in arctic parkas when you take them to school in the mornings! I will have the SSI's on mine so we can compare over time which ones hold up the best, I'm sure we will have some spirited drives coming up as soon as I get mine put back together!
good man! did you buy them yet? Who is doing the install/finish welding?
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Old 05-15-2007, 04:46 AM
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Hey Sandman,

Let us know what you think of those OBX headers when you get them. It would be great if you post some pics as well.
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I'd like to see some reprots back of the OBX with regards to repeated track use, very curious.
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Well gang, I finished up the car late last night/early this morning! I did take some pictures and will host them tonight...I just needed to get to sleep.

Impressions?? These things are freaking awesome!!!!!! No regrets! Kiss my hairy arse, B&B! The butt dyno tells me there's no difference in HP and/or feel. Just the smoothest sounding engine, now that that the infamous "ticking" is gone!

The fit and finish on the OBX headers is astounding for this price point! They bolted right up...obviously this task takes a bit of man-handling to get everything lined up, but it always did with my B&Bs, too. I paid $499 which included rush shipping from CA to NC (a $25 premium). I'm amazed at how light they are! I'm convinced that the B&B heater boxes have some design flaws...the more I inspect them, the more I see potential holes and/or cracks developing, where the boxes are tacked to the pipes. IMHO, if you need heat AND performance, I think the SSIs would be the way to go! Otherwise, suck it up and ditch the heat!

Time will tell...I'll be sure to post pictures tonight and will obviously update the thread if something disastrous occurs
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:54 AM
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I just want to remind everyone, that my B&Bs were installed at 35,000 miles about 26 months ago! My car now has 48,000 on it, and these folkers have holes!!!! UNACCEPTABLE! Especially when I stare at the $$$ invoice!
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Mine were 1 yr old & already needed repair - saw heavy track use, however.
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I'm glad everything worked out with the new headers. I look forward to checking them out! I may need to borrow your zork tube for a week or two. My neighbor accross the way yelled at me for being too loud one night so now I really want to give her something to b!tch about!
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Old 05-16-2007, 12:42 PM
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I'm glad everything worked out with the new headers. I look forward to checking them out! I may need to borrow your zork tube for a week or two. My neighbor accross the way yelled at me for being too loud one night so now I really want to give her something to b!tch about!
Tell your neighbor they (she) can fondle the "zork" any time! Of course you can borrow it!
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This will be an excellent test for those headers. Good job.
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Pictures as promised:

OBX:

B&B:

The Leaky area on my B&Bs:

OBX collector:

B&B collector:

B&B flange...much thicker:

OBX flange:

OBX turbo flange:

B&B turbo flange:
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That custom exhaust does look sweet! I wish I didnt drop by so late the other night so I could of seen and heard it. You should post a pic w/ the bumper back on
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Thanks for posting the pics Sandman.

They look awesome! After seeing these pics along with your personal experience with its fitment, it makes it hard to justify spending 2-3k on an exhaust. Of course, I understand the need for those to spend this type of cash to obtain their high horsepower goals, however, for me and my normally street driven 930, you cant beat this price.

I was thinking about buying a new set to replace my old B&Bs (always chasing cracks) and this seals the deal.

Thanks again Sandman!!
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Longevity is the key. Let's see how they last.

Are these offered with heat?
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By looking at the pics the welds of the B&B seem excellent. The OBX's not so good.

Also the pic of the hole in the B&B look as though it wasn't a weld that failed but it appears that the heater box expanded and rubbed through one of the primaries. It would seem B&B messed up by putting that sheet too close to the primary.

Am I right or are the pics eluding me?
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Fitting - New service kit.
Needs Fitting - Innovate XD-16 Kit, Kokeln IC. Stephen's K27 HFS, EVO Intake Assy & his Modded USA Fuel Head.

1983 UK 911 3.2 Carrera Sport Coupe. Black, Black Leather with Red Piping, Black Alloy Gear Knob, K&N Air Filter Element, Turbo Tie rods.
Needs Fitting - K&N CO Sensor, Round A/F Dial Gauge, Factory Short Shift Kit.

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Oh, btw the thinner flanges help when you snap off a stud flush with your original stock heat exchangers Don't ask me how I know this...
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Fitting - New service kit.
Needs Fitting - Innovate XD-16 Kit, Kokeln IC. Stephen's K27 HFS, EVO Intake Assy & his Modded USA Fuel Head.

1983 UK 911 3.2 Carrera Sport Coupe. Black, Black Leather with Red Piping, Black Alloy Gear Knob, K&N Air Filter Element, Turbo Tie rods.
Needs Fitting - K&N CO Sensor, Round A/F Dial Gauge, Factory Short Shift Kit.

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the obx welds are fine they look like it is second pass versus 1 pass from B&B these look just like the qsc headers I had here for few months. The build quialtiy was pretty damn good..
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As I mentioned before the *LOOK* of the welds on my B&Bs are amazing!!! I have to give them credit for that....even the way the heater box seams are welded...pretty impressive. However, I know that there is sometimes more to a weld than it's physical, outward appearence, and I feel confident that while the OBX welds might not be as intricate, I think they're solid.

As for where my B&Bs are leaking, there is a small tack weld (not really visable in the pictures) that goes behind the number three pipe right as the pipe enters the box...I think this weld weakended the pipe thus causing the hole.
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BTW, take this with a grain of salt, but the OBXs came with a "lifetime" warranty!

And as Craig mentioned, time will tell. Aftermarket headers seem to be a disposable item in these cars.
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The nice thing about a TIG weld is what it looks like on the outside is what it looks like on the inside of it. Thus you can tell both have decent welds. Now why do some weld fail and others don't . Well More has to do with the base material then anything. If it is stressed(caused by to hot of weld this causes carbide percipitation, or some other pressure stress) The HAZ will break(that is heat affected zone) I think the B&B are fine but They just overcharge for them. I think OBX are really made by QSC which supplies OBX,GSF andall of them are copies of B&B or GHL. See just a big circle. The quality has gone up 10 fold on these products but I would suggest that a side by side test of the B&B and OBX will reveal they both will last about as long. The only advantage the B&B has is the slip joint to allow for expansion. I don't run the slip joint on my SSis setup but it also is v band flanged so they move much easier. plus they are a bit thicker then the B&B and the group. Back to base material There really is no way to verify these companies are using what they say they are unless you send in the part for testing. This is the reason We leave the mill markings on our exhaust components so customers can see they are infact getting 321..

Sand-man enjoy I think you will be good to go for quite a while.
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