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Nathan, It is not really the height of the carrera manifold, it is the angle at which the TB is located. On the 3.2L intake, the TB points towards the front of the car....and in the 3.3L intake, it points towards the rear of the car. The exit for this Bell I/C in on the right front side (towards the front of the car). It is just a 90 deg fitting and some silicone hose away from connecting to the TB. On the 3.3L, you would have to bring it under the I/C....unless you had Gerhart fab up a different exit point....

IIRC, Don sees only about 10 deg above ambiant temp, while in operation.....
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I have seen number of people use the silicone connectors with 90 deg fittings, but of course if you're having one fabricated, why not have it done so that it fits the particular throttle body location you have?

In my opinion, based on how it is designed outlet area.. once you move to EFI, let say with a Carrera manifold, you could always have that portion of the IC reconfigured, or cut and rotate the Carrera manifold to line-up..as has been done in many applications.
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Here is full bay Bar & Plate design for CIS. From the 90's by Bavarian Coach Werks.. a Dopke company.





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I left my Carrera manifold as is rather than rotating the TB so there was as much room as possible for the intercooler. My original plan was to have the intercooler sit directly on the TB with a specially fabricated/machined outlet. After fitting the bare IC tank into the engine bay, I realized the fabrication required was too much. I guess having a 90 aluminum bend on the end of the intercooler where it meets the TB would make installation easier, it just makes for more difficult fabrication. My solution:

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I also have the same I/C that DonE has. Go to http://www.bellintercoolers.com/index.html

call them and speak to Gerhart.... he has the plans for the I/C.... IMHO...the best out there for the money..if you are going EFi....
Thanks for all of the help! I neglected to mention that Im running CIS. Does this mean that I only need a half bay IC? Is Bell the best value?
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For CIS, I think a Koklen is all you need and a bunch easier than making a custom one. My full bay IC weighs 30 pounds, so you have to ask if you really want that extra weight hanging out there.

If you do go custom, it's hard to beat a Bell.
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For CIS, I think a Koklen is all you need and a bunch easier than making a custom one. My full bay IC weighs 30 pounds, so you have to ask if you really want that extra weight hanging out there.

If you do go custom, it's hard to beat a Bell.

Thanks again, gentlemen.

It's a track car & I'm not looking for more weight in the rear.

I've been told that the Koklen isn't made as well as it once was. Is the Blown 6 Design a better option? I'm looking of little to no fabrication and high value.
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nix930, I would use the search button on the blown 6 stuff.... from what I have heard...you better be a pretty good fabber to get it to work...definatly not a plug-and-play option. I had a Kokyln I/C before I went full EFI, and absolutly loved it. I have heard also that they are not as good quality wise as the older ones...But no first hand knowledge of that...
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At the risk of starting yet another full bay IC debate for CIS, the blown six looks pretty, but I doubt its any more functional than the smaller kokeln. The koklen flows something like 960 cuft per min and that's about max for a highly modified CIS 3.3L motor. Anything larger is a waste (or in the example above, eye candy - which is valid if that's what you're looking for). Besides, look at the circuit and picture the air flowing the path of least resistance - it's possible 1/4 of the B6 won't be used.
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Working off Don's statement, it there a full bay intercooler for CIS that's more than eye candy? I currently have an older Kokeln IC, but with the mods I have (400 rwhp), I'd like to see if I can get better cooling? Can Bell IC's make a better IC for CIS?
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To me, the BlownSix 965 IC is a no brainer.
A copy of a proven and tested Porsche design and large enough for any level of CIS.

I would have one (in fact I do have the complete setup) and I'd install it... if it fit with the G50/50 5 speed -
which moved the engine rearward too far

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The quality of those parts looks way too poor to fit on our cars.
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I like the look, but have seen others that are wider and deeper. Not sure if they are for for twin turbo set up s or what though. Thought something like those may work better, but then I don't wan't to spend a fortune to buy it. I had a 964 IC with all new parts 5 years ago, but sold it all because I didn't want to lose the A/C. What was I thinking?

Has B6D gotten better with their fitment issues?

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To me, the BlownSix 965 IC is a no brainer.
A copy of a proven and tested Porsche design and large enough for any level of CIS.

I would have one (in fact I do have the complete setup) and I'd install it... if it fit with the G50/50 5 speed -
which moved the engine rearward too far

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Anything more than the Kokeln for street use is not necessary.
I have the RUF and it is barely adequate for heavy track use - which my car sees.

The Blown Six is super easy to install - it was on my car, literally a 30 minute job.
Thing was, my engine sits further back than 99.9% of other 930 engines due to the G50 5 speed box......"oh she-it"......

I have all OE 965 intercooler parts kitted up, ready to go, and will be placing the whole deal up for sale next month.
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Here is the circuitous route I took to get my B&B to fit the 3.2 manifold- this is after cutting and rotating the straight throttle body portion of the manifold...twice.

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