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New clutch do I have to drop trans?

Do I have to drop the trans with clutch replacement or can I just drop the motor? I also plan on,fixing oil leaks, pulling air injection and a/c and upgrading to carrera tensioners. Any feedback would be awesome.
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I'd pull the whole thing. Sure it means a few more bolts, but the axles are really just dumb labor. Sure, you can fight around it and "might" save some time or perceived effort. BUT if you've ever had a new clutch pack that didn't want to line up with the trans input shaft, you'd regret it. I much rather hold a transmission between my legs and wiggle than an engine above my head.

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No ,and I appreciate your opinion ! Do you remove the axles or just let them hang?
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Just let them hang. I use to pull the motor only when I was a 20 but as I got older I found just dropping the whole thing is really faster. You spend more time trying to get the cars rear high enough in the air, then splining up the tranny etc. It is must faster to pull the whole thing.
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ok if i remove the valance under the bumper how high do i have to get the car and do i remove the rear bumper or leave it on? also do you just use jack stands on the rear or can i get more clearance with them on the front also?
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You are better off leaving the nose down and pulling the rear bumper all together.
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I've had my engine/tranny out a number of times. Here are a few tips:
-Once you've gotten everything disconnected from the engine/tranny assembly, lower the car back down to the ground.
-Remove the entire rear bumper (valence and all)...it's easy to do, and will save you several inches of height.
-I bought and modified a furniture dolly. Instead of looking like a square it now looks like a "U".
-After I have centered the dolly under the engine (placed as such so that the engine and tranny will be properly balanced when they come out).
-I place my floor jack inside the "U".
-There is a point on the engine case, just behind of the engine/tanny bell housing, this is a good balance spot to place your jack on.
-keep in mind the car should still be on the ground.
-Firmly support the engine/tranny with the jack...put some padding in between the jack and the engine case.
-Unbolt the tranny mounts.
-Unbolt the engine mounts.
-Slowly lower down to the dolly...you won't have far to go because you didn't jack the car sky high. Make sure you do this slowly so that you can be sure you've disconnected everything.
-Once the engine/tranny is on the dolly, remove the jack...that's why you need the "U" in the dolly...so you can get the jack out.
-Then jack up the car, and roll the engine/tranny out from under it.
-Once it's clear, lower the car back down tot the ground.

All of the above assumes that you are using a quality jack and quality jack stands. NEVER work under a car supported just by a jack!! NEVER!
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Welcome back Stephen....we don't see much of you over here

+1 on his comments
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I may have to try Sandman's idea over the motorcyle lift I've always used...sounds like a slick drama free one man method... cool and inexpensive.
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I like to leave the car on the ground, because it gets scary having it jacked so high (even supported by jack stands) as you're working with such a heavy engine/tranny unit. Also if something goes wrong and god forbid the engine falls, it doesn't have far to go.
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waiting on a set of brand new 6 ton jack stands from Mac, I didnt trust those cheesey china made ones ,too unstable. let me run this by you . i have the factory turbo manuals. they show bushings for the lever shaft that the release fork goes on but i cant find these bushings in any parts fische. are these bushings available and do they go bad?
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There is a guy that use to make a engine mount for a normal jack on Ebay. I use to use one of these. It was a cradle and worked well. Keep in mind this was 15 years ago when I worked out of the garage. You can buy 'good" jackstands for trucks which give you the height and support you need. It will cost more than the units you get from Pep Boys for 13.00 but this is a safety measure. If you can score one of the cradles then you will be golden. You could also use a low boy tranny jack. It would do the same thing.

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I like to support my CVs with coat hangers...like this:
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what about the bushings ?
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any one on rebushing the lever shaft?
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On the coupler? Hell yes while it is out put some bushing in there.
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Pelican does a metal bracket that fits onto the engine sump for a trolley jack. I am going to get one next time I have to do a removal.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/PORS/POR_PORS_PTOOLS_pg1.htm


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I like to support my CVs with coat hangers...like this:
Nice coil pack mounting. Did you buy that angle Aluminum someplace? I have mine in the same position, but they don't look that good!

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Nice coil pack mounting. Did you buy that angle Aluminum someplace? I have mine in the same position, but they don't look that good!

Les
If I said Ace Hardware...would I be shunned from this community FOREVER? In that case I didn't buy the angle iron from Ace Hardware, I bought it from NASA! I also bought the rattle can of high temp spray paint from NASA too (in black)!
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If I said Ace Hardware...would I be shunned from this community FOREVER? In that case I didn't buy the angle iron from Ace Hardware, I bought it from NASA! I also bought the rattle can of high temp spray paint from NASA too (in black)!
Dude,
Your secret is safe with me, I won't tell anyone. Did you drill the holes yourself?

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