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930 Turbo vs. 911 Carrera Dilemma

I've been shopping for a few months for a nice Carrera and I have one in mind that is everything that I was initially looking for- but I recently noticed a beautiful black 930 at the local dealer on consignment and, needless to say, there's no comparison. This is the car that I had a poster of in my room when I was growing up- the ultimate car that I told myself I'd own "someday". Naturally the 930 is a lot more $ than the Carreras I've seen so I'll be looking at some creative financing. The dilemma I have is I know next to nothing about 930's- I've never even driven one and I was hoping to get some feedback regarding the pros & cons of a Carrera vs a 930. I live at about 7000 feet above sea level and my friend, who just moved here (Colorado) from Seattle is a little disappointed in how anemic his 964 feels at altitude. My thinking is that the turbo might do well at altitude. My only chance of getting a feel for a 930 is to test drive the one for sale locally- but I know that often, once the excitement of something new is over and practicality sets in, ones impression and satisfaction with a car can change. I was wondering how "driveable" a 4 speed 930 is in the twisties vs. a 5 speed Carrera- I hear that there's quite a bit if turbo lag and the car could be a real handful where there aren't as many gears to select- for this reason a few people have told me that the 930 is more of a highway car, built for high speeds on the Autobahn. On the other hand I've heard that the 930 has the best chassis and may handle better that a Carrera. My driving will be about 30% highway and 70% back roads. I'm hoping for some advice from those of you that have experience with both 930's and 911's regarding driveability so I can weigh my options- right now the 930 seems like the most exciting option- but I know that looks and impressions can only go so far. I'd also like some feedback regarding reliability and maintenance of a 930 vs. 911 so I can somewhat anticipate the shrinking wallet factor. I look forward to your feedback.
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My first instinct is to recommend the Carrera. The turbo would be nice at the altitude, but I bet you have some nice tight roads that wouldn't be as much fun with a turbo.
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Test drive the turbo, you have to experience it for yourself. The turbo compressor will make up for the lack of O2 @ 7000 and make you grin while it does it.
Then enjoy your new turbo
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I had a similar dilemma a few years ago. I initially set out for a Carrera ('84-'89). However, I found that a lot of people seemed to be asking for $20-25K (or more!) for their normally-aspirated 911s. I think I only came across one that was priced about $17K. So when I stumbled across a clean 930 for just a little more than what people were asking for their Carreras, it was an easier choice for me.

I was worried about maintenance costs. So far, in the 10K miles I've owned my 930, I don't think my costs are anything more than what I would have spent had I purchased a "regular" 911. (Nothing regular about a 911, BTW.) Of course, I do respect the fact that the longevity of a non-turbo motor will be much longer than that of a turbo-charged car. I'm psychologically (though not financially) prepared for a $15-20K rebuild at some point during my tenure of ownership. A 911 might not need a rebuild during the years that you own it. And if it did, chances are it would cost a fraction (1/2? 1/3?) of what it would run in a 930.

Driving in the canyons, I don't think the on-off nature of the turbo and the 4-speed are that difficult to handle. For certain the 930 is more built for high-speed sweepers than it is tight twisties. But that shouldn't ruin the driving experience for you. Nor should it be the deciding factor of whether or not you can keep up with your buddies on canyon runs.

In the end, the opportunity to own the car I truly lusted for back when I was a teenager (and the fact that the difference in purchase price wasn't really that great) were reasons enough for me to go with the 930 over the 911. I think I'd be happy with either car, though. They're both gems.
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I have both and the Carrera is a much better daily driver...of course I am at sea level so I don't have the HP loss that you experience. With the 930, never get on it unless you are pointed straight ahead. That statement will preclude you from having a lot of fun in the twisties of Colorado.
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Oh yeah, when you get a 930, you get afflicted with turbo sickness.
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With the 930, never get on it unless you are pointed straight ahead.
Funny, I recall reading the exact same quote (regarding the 930) from another Hawaiian, Danny Ongias.

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That statement will preclude you from having a lot of fun in the twisties of Colorado.
I don't know if I completely agree with that part. Speeds are actually pretty slow (comparatively) in the twisties. So breaking some traction at the rear isn't as dangerous as at higher speeds. Stuff is a lot more "catchable." It's also a matter of knowing yourself, the car, the road conditions, etc. I'm always mindful of the on-off nature of the turbo's power delivery, but I certainly have a lot of fun in the canyons with my 930.
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I also agree with Noah... Some of the most fun I have had in my car have been on boost situations right after hitting the apex.... there is no other feeling like it. If you know your car, and have learned how to drive it... then you will probably be hitting the curves much more than the straights.... esp on boost...
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Hahahahahaha! My car scares me. I shift at 5k.
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I am in Denver too, looked at that black 930 when I first started looking. I thouught it was pretty expensive. Ferrari Denver had a red slant nose awhile back too if you like those, equally expensive. I ended up getting a 930 and love it on the twisties up in the mountains. I have never driven a n/a porsche so I can't give a compasion to you, but I will say I would never live in the mountains and have a n/a car. all my cars and trucks have been turbo out here.
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The problem with the 911 carrera is that it will not satisfy your thirst for performance for long. These cars are not as easily upgradable like the 930 is.

I own both and the reason I got a 930 was due to the lack of power of the 911.

A 930 with headers & a K27S turbo is what you need IMO. The 930 feels more stable too.
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930..nuff said.
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. Mdurbahn- I'm going to pm you. -Jay
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I started the same way, looking for a nice 3.2 Carrera. Then I test drove a 930.
The Carrera is a great car, the 930 is a fantastic car. There simply are no comparisons.
I drive my '85 Euro issue every day. Hard.
Never sorry about my choice !
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that's funny, I had major seller's remorse when I sold my 911 to get a 930, and kept thinking of going back to a 911 as they were more fun in the tight twisties, etc. So I started looking around again for another 911, found a clean one, drove it for 5 minutes and made me realize there was no going back and how much I truly love my 930. . .felt way more stable and planted, and don't let the 4-speed and power delivery keep you away from one, once you get used to it it's the best, like others say above, once you figure out the boost it's a blast in the twisties
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Nothing like blasting up a mountain road in a 930 on a crisp Sunday Morning!

I live at 6400 ft altitude, and as Nathan said, a little better turbo and exhaust and the 930 will work well. One other thing, with an EBC you can adjust your boost, and at this altitude, you can run a little more boost than the guys at sea level, makes up for the less dense air.
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Nothing like blasting up a mountain road in a 930 on a crisp Sunday Morning!
+1 Just getting home from a fantastic canyon run, right now. But I don't think the guys in N/A machines had any less of a good time. Thanks for another safe outing, fellow LA Pelicans.
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Hell.. if this nasty pic alone doesn't make you want a 930.. then something is WRONG with ya son...

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Porsche Crest 930 for DE track events

Newbie to this thread stuff, I have a 993 (been tracking) but too nice, looking at a 930 Turbo, any comments as to how this car will do? Am I heading down the wrong road for performance and cost?
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I think 930's are GREAT! on the track... even in stock form. I also think it takes a special kind of guy to want to track one and to push the **** out of the performance envelope.. many stay away as there are so many easier cars to drive fast. I think it's part of the challenge; to drive a beast of a car like the 930 fast!
I say get one and go tear some **** up!
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