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Question Is this P-tax or is it ok?

I had a problem with a grinding sound in between 1st and 2nd and 3rd gear. My clutch was slipping, and I could tell the clutch was shot. I took the car to the local used P-car mechanic and they installed a new clutch (works great). However, the grinding, while better, is still there and I am told now that I need new synchros.

I understand the synchros are bad. What I don't know is whether they should have been able to tell, and should have looked, while the engine was out of the car and the clutch job was being done.

I don't mind paying for the synchros, but if they could have and should have known they were bad during the clutch job, then I have a problem paying for them to take the engine back out. If the wisdom here says it is not something they would have seen or know, then I am good paying for it to be redone. I just don't want to pay almost 1k extra, b/c they have to take the engine out again.

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Old 12-04-2007, 03:48 PM
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where i used to work at , each car was driven to make sure they know exactly what needs to be done and to see if any other problem is there so we can fix that too and charge more hehe. they should have checked it before and after they did the clutch job especially if you told them that there was a problem .

another thing is how much are they charging you to take the engine out? 1k sounds ridiculous , i kow i can take the engine out in less than three hours taking my time and doing it (including the half axles) all by myself . you get two techs that have a good idea of what they are doing and they can have the engine out in 45 mins , i know this because once me and a buddy were running out time on a 911 and rushing thru the job forgot to put on the ring gear for the starter.. while the customer was in the waiting room ....took us 1.5 hours from start to fix the situation and have the car ready to go .

so tell him to cut you a deal since the car was just there for service and they didn't do it while it was out ... ohh and by the way doing synchros on a 4-speed are very simple too , i think i spent more time washing the transmission parts on the parts washer then i did on the R&R .
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+1 on that notion- They should have known somthing was up because if the first 3 were grinding and the last 1 or two werent- it should have at least indicated that they were weak and I think from the service writer/ tech's standpoint that it was stupid not to at least try to sell you on opening the trans and fixing those synchros if not doing a full rebuild. Very foolish
Hell- for a $1000 I would drive down and do it. I blew out first gear synchro and fixed the problem for 100$ with a new gasket kit and oil.
You may not need actual synchros as much as the brake bands, but it would be very dumb not to do them while you were in there.
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If your car was drivable when you drove it in & you told them about the noise it is their fault IMO.
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Hi,
I've never been confused about a worn clutch and worn synchros. Especially since these cars are notorious for syncro issues if you bang the gears a lot. They should have known you had two issues at hand. I would question their competency, or integrity, or both.

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I appreciate the responses. It kinda confirms what I thought was the case. It gets worse though. It appears they have messed up something else. I have lost my ability to accelerate up to about 2k rpm. Car bogs down, and sounds like something is intermittently kicking the passenger rear side until it gets up above 2k rpm. I took it back this morning and the belief is their is some type of vacuum leak. I'm gonna have to drop it back off and leave it to get fixed. The car had zero problems accelerating prior to the clutch job and valve adjustment. This shop is well respected around town, and is really the only P-mechanic around. However, I am getting more uncomfortable with this mess that seems to be getting worse instead of better. Any thoughts?
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yeah you are going to get screwed with paying to fix whatever they broke too .. iv'e seen other people deal with this , never ends well ... good luck with this mess
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