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Good stuff !I'll check on that CSI scoring change ,It was on a test for ISQ that we had to take to bring our scores up at VW. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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Old 01-04-2008, 04:30 PM
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The 930 came to be simply as a homologation for racing. It was never meant to be sold in volume and was not designed for road manners. It is raw and demands respect. It has a reliable dry sump racing engine that can run flat out for hours on end. It has timeless sexy good looks spawned from the racetrack. It is expensive to maintain and modify, as all exotics are.
THAT is why we love them.
I know this a bit off topic, but the above is what I love so much about the 930. It was a "race" car built for the street, so Porsche could race the 934. I am always amazed at the engineering behind this car. Sometimes at night I'll lay under the car just to admire the rear suspension, the way everything was "beefed" up from the 911 to handle the additional power.


I was at B&N reading an automotive mag that was an interview with Jim Busby, and his opinion/experiences driving the 935, and it was just an incredible article, I'll go back and post the name of the mag, but while reading it, I was thinking all that (well most of it) technology is in the 930, "it is the mothership", nothing even comes close.
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What blows me away about the the 934 935s it won the 24 hours of Lemans outright in almost stock form with a 4 spd beating the prototypes. The 930s are truley race cars and everytime i drive mine im driving a piece of history. With a zork on it and some other tweaks it feels like a 934 or 935. Unlike todays NASCAR garbage (just my opinion) theres nothing stock about em. What I always loved about Porsche is their racing heritage and timless styling. I found a article on ISQ scores in Chistophorus 327 pg 20 how porsches been at top for the last 2 yrs
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What blows me away about the the 934 935s it won the 24 hours of Lemans outright in almost stock form with a 4 spd beating the prototypes.
You're kidding, right?

Norbert Singer of Porsche looked at every rule and took advantage of every loophole found. A genius in every sense of the word.
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Man I knew i would get my butt kicked on this 1,but come on 4spd and stock looking body blowing away prototypes in a 24 hour race! Palease! I was down at the Rolex when the 911 GT2 blew away the the field of Daytona Prototypes .Porsches are giant killers!
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Man I knew i would get my butt kicked on this 1,but come on 4spd and stock looking body blowing away prototypes in a 24 hour race! Palease! I was down at the Rolex when the 911 GT2 blew away the the field of Daytona Prototypes .Porsches are giant killers!

I think he was referring to the Original 934/935 GruppeB GruppeC stuff where Porsche ate their ass so bad they had to change the rules, to compensate for the multiplier of the Turbocharger and other innovations. The 930 is definitely a "Cult" car from the 70's and 80's. They have been usurped by Ricers and Vipers and such now in "POP" culture, but still hold their place in History. And when you look at a 930, you can peer STRAIGHT back to 1961. That my friends, speaks directly to the Genius of Porsche. No other vehicle has truly "stood the test of time". LONG LIVE THE KING!

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Thank You Les!
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Im building multiple 911s at my friend's shop right now- all the kids my age are all about their STUPID Evos and STIs, I say they are junk and everyone there piles on me about it. But it is true, in ten years the 50 grand you spent buying/modding an evo or sti will be worthless as you will have an old, rusty, $h!tbox. In ten years I will still have a Porsche that will still be made with real material and still has its name and some if not most of its retail value.
Bottom line is I dont care how much power they make, when you have the whole world developing a car for a specific target market, you are going to get loads of horsepower. Nobody really does R&D on porsches aside from the few heavy hitters (protomotive, RUF, Gemballa) where the Japanese counterparts have hundreds of companies. Porsche are mostly done by private owners and small shops
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Sorry for OT but it seems you know about those Evo/Sti cars.
I know that a WRC car costs $1Million dollars to build. What I would like to know is how much would it cost to have the same differential setup on a road car? Maybe the car would have to have a whole WRC tranny?

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I often wonder what owning a '73 RS must have been like back then - compared to what was on the market in '73. Most of the '73 cars I know of I would not want to own now. I was lucky enough to have a friend let me loose on my own for a brief time in his '73RS . The car dances on the road.
Then foward to '79. What other car in '79 had the attributes of a 930?
30 years on and it can still hold it's own -what more could you ask?
And it does not cost a house mortgage to own or run, but more than the family shopping basket.
But that is not why you buy a Porsche - for most.
I love my SC(s) as much as my 930.
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Then foward to '79. What other car in '79 had the attributes of a 930?
Silly boy! The answer is a 1979 AMC Pacer DL, of course! Freakin' AWESOME man....DROOOOL:
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Not being American I don't know this work of art.
But I doubt I'd swap my 930 for it.
Would you?
(I know which one is better looking)
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Not being American I don't know this work of art.
But I doubt I'd swap my 930 for it.
Would you?
(I know which one is better looking)
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Alan, my post regarding the Pacer was meant to be a total farce...
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Silly boy! The answer is a 1979 AMC Pacer DL, of course! Freakin' AWESOME man....DROOOOL:
I've seen some Bad ASS pacers! Be careful with your Pink slip!

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I'll take two - can you get them in colours other than poohey diaper.
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I'll take two - can you get them in colours other than poohey diaper.
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Look Dude, this color is like Guards Red in Porsche's for the Pacer. I can't stand opportunists coming to the market and not knowing the product. This color is the ONLY color that a true Pacer Fan would want. Tells me you don't know what you are talking about!

OK, leave all the Classic colors for us in the "Know". Actually, there is only one classic color and this is it...

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