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Oh, you mean they are under the cylinders?

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Old 01-30-2008, 12:39 PM
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Oh, you mean they are under the cylinders?

That's what I believe he is talking about. Cylinder base gaskets, the copper one's you used for Deck height adjustment.

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Double wow. Tell me more. Infact pictures installation guide list of changes everything, dont be shy now!!
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Jay ! lets keep this public !!
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Please share pictures of the plumbing.
Nice out of the box project.
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Sorry guys. Because of the time difference, my reply will alwas be late.
Let me explain: It started up for a few years ago, My son bought a 964 RS.
It had almost the same power as my DP 935 Coupe (3.0L t) At that moment my intension was to get a 3,6 engine to start with, I cant lay down when he have a faster car, Ok I found one nice engine on E-Bays.
I won the betting, I made the down payment, Later I was contacted by some other buyers of the same engine!. My money was gone. I was short of time to
find a Hiperf budget engine. I have an old 2.7 engine(1975) to start with
This was my criteria: Minimum 400 hp. Street legal. emission Ok, and also cheap.
when I strip down the engine I found 92mm cylinder kit from Mahle. I did a valve job with new valve springs. lower the compression ratio to 7.5 with spacers, was 9.5
under the cylinders. I made also a plenum chamber in SS. At my local junkyard I found 2 new turbos TD 04/12 Original on a Volvo 1.8 L for the Italian market, 2x190 hp. (on low boost press) incl Internal dump valves !. very effective turbos and in a small size.
Now I must find a CIS (K-Jetronic) for a 8 cylinder car. From a Volvo GR A car that was standing at another junkyard went to be mine very cheap, who wants
to have a K-jettronic ? probably it was coming from a 928 or a MB V8.
Maximum hp with this CIS system is 400hp-450hp. This was the figures I have in my head since the eighties. Its a simple system, more air, more fuel. I was not able to spend any money to "map" the fuel system as you must do on a modern system. with the CIS system its no need. I just check the CO during driving. Just add more injector if it runs to lean.
On boost pressure 0,7 bar. the engine was running a little to rich, with 1.0 bar it was Ok.
Hell the car runs good. Now I add 2 extra injectors(Saab) before the plenum. , Whops 1.4 bar was Ok. The 930/4 tranny became a short shifting gear box! next step was go to 2.0 bar. 2 extra primer (cold start valve) injectors. controlled by an adjustable valve, and I mix 20% Ethanol in fuel.
Ok no fuel economy. but who cares.
Thatís where I am today.
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It is good to hear from someone who understands CIS well enough to modify it.
How long have you been running this setup?
Engine pix?
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Wow, my kind of guy. Take an engine - add tubos - now you have a Turbo Engine. Persevere, be resourceful, make things work. Is all this boost on racing gas and ethanol? Congradulations!

Sorry you got stiffed on the 3.6L. I took a major gamble importing my 3.6L out of Germany several years ago when the currency was in the dollars favor. The big difference was Pelician not ebay. I asked him to provide a list of happy US customers, Jack Olsen being one of them. I wired the money, held my breath, and the engine arrived. It's still in the shop, but will emerge this summer in twin turbo form.

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Dphans, you deserve a ATABOY AWARD for stictoitneves, for showing the slogan to be true (again ) "When someone says "it can not be done It just means some one else will do it "
Great job !!
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DPHANS, I looked at the airbox and fuel head for quite a while in the picture, and said to myself "this is really slick".
Excellent job!
Problem around here anymore is that the junkyards are all closed down, and you can't rummage around like in the old days.
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Damn DPHANS, all that and a five blade fan! How many spacers to get to 7.5?
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thats what I was wondering...spacers...
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You can use any appropriately sized turbo. An oilcooled Garrett TB03 off old SAAB would work.
On the other hand, magnesium case is weak and pulls studs. Extra heat from turbocharging will only hasten the process. Installing ARP won't help as OEM ones are strong enough to pull the threads from case.

3.0 might break the studs, but installing new is a bit less painfull than installing new (better) ones than splitting the case, Timecerting it, making sure it's straight etc. Money poured into doing this (and that you will do) will easily overshadow selling the engine and buying a 3.2 or 3.0 and "doing it right" from the start.

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Hey,
Please don't read this as sarcastic, it is a genuine question. How would a turbo off of a 143hp (that's what the old saab 900s made in the us) work on my engine that already porduces 175?

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Damn DPHANS, all that and a five blade fan! How many spacers to get to 7.5?
Normaly on a 8,5-1, need 3 extra 0.5 copper rings.
Well I still use a 5 blade fan, This is Scandinavia and cold, No problem with overheating. And also I have a large oil cooler in front. and air intake in rear fenders
Normaly I do 8-10 fast laps on the race tracks, and not more. most because Iam tired and the brakes is glowing.
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It is good to hear from someone who understands CIS well enough to modify it.
How long have you been running this setup?
Engine pix?
Hi. This is the second season I have use this setup. Some track meetings and also a few dragraces, and not to forget me and my vife took the car on a camping vacation in Finland.
It still runs well.
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Hey,
Please don't read this as sarcastic, it is a genuine question. How would a turbo off of a 143hp (that's what the old saab 900s made in the us) work on my engine that already porduces 175?

Thanks,
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It will work well. T3 turbo is OEM on 9000 Turbo (with 175hp) up to early 90's. It will support mass flow up to ~220hp. On later cars (with 200hp) it was replaced by slightly smaller T25 beacuse of long spoolup on old T3. You could also find T3 "Trim 60" which will flow well up to 260hp.
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Goran,
Thanks, a sabb 9000 turbo makes more sense. These are all oil only right? Do you know off hand what year saab changed turbos?

Thanks for your help.
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Would the early or late turbo be the better choice?

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Goran,
Thanks, a sabb 9000 turbo makes more sense. These are all oil only right? Do you know off hand what year saab changed turbos?

Thanks for your help.
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85-87 were oil only T3, as far as I know. I believe even old 8-valve 145hp 900 had same turbo.
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okay Hans,you are a good mechanic for sure. What have you done about timing? did you dial it back or use a boost retard device?

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