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You have to be careful when machining high compression pistons for lower compression. It can cause some distortion in the ring lands based on forging stresses that may be relieved by the machining process. I know there isn't a lot of quench in our engines, but just throwing spacers under the cylinders to lower the compression ratio can make detonation and pre-ignition worse. A careful study of the piston shape and its interaction with the combustion chamber should be done to ensure optimal combustion chamber shape.
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If I were to swap out to 3.3 or 3.4 L pistons & cylinders, would I have to get my heads machined and purchase new head gaskets? If so, how much would I be looking at to get the heads machined?
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No head gaskets on the 3.2 to begin with but you would have to chamfer the heads to prevent detonation.. not sure on cost be fairly inexpensive |
Hmmm,you seem set on using the high-comp pistons for some reason. l`m guessing you hope your off-boost performance will be better with the 10.5`s? On paper that may be true but the reality is that your car will be much faster when you can dial the boost up and that will only happen running a lower compression ratio. My 3.2 running stock pistons gets full boost before 2000rpm, l seriously doubt l could expect noticably better performance with the euro-pistons. l had a chance to buy a set of the 10.5`s and l passed for one reason- l intended to boost the car. lf you truly intend to turbo your car the bottom line is that 10.5 pistons are the worst choice you could make for the pistons.The stock pistons will work but why bother? you`ve got the motor apart ,do what any experienced builder would do when building a turbo motor: install FORGED turbo pistons with a lower compression ratio. The 3.2stock cast pistons tend to break the ring lands under excessive boost, a far greater fear with the euro 10.5`s. While you have pistons out send them to Swain-tech for coatings
http://www.swaintech.com/ you`ll be glad you did. l realize not everyone has $10-k laying around to spend on a motor which is probably the best reason yet not to use high-comp pistons in a turbo build. Some people report detonation using the euro slugs with our gas,imagine how they are under boost... |
I'm sorry for the confusion. I have 9.5:1 pistons in my car currently. I was just initially inquiring about "what if you had 10.5:1 pistons".
I'm trying to decide whether to purchase new pistons & cylinders or to get my 9.5:1 pistons machined to a lower compression. I'm just considering all of the costs if I made the jump to turbo pistons & cylinders. |
Ok, so if I were to get new P & C's for my 3.2L, it sounds like I should go with the fully finned cylinders from the 3.3L C2 Turbo. If I were to keep the heads from my 3.2L, I believe I need the following:
1. "chamfer the heads to prevent detonation" ~ Ben 2. 0.5mm head sealing gasket 3. o-ring that goes at the base of the cylinder Am I correct about #2 and #3? If so, anybody have any idea on the cost for those parts? Please chime in if I need anything else. Thanks! |
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Hello, the project referred to in that post is in fact mine, here is a working link: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93992 Todd K certainly does know his stuff, but there are no Protomotive parts on my car. ;) It is a completely custom setup I built myself, including an aftermarket ECU that is completely programmable (which I also tuned myself). To the thread starter: As others have already said, having full control of ignition timing is key to keeping detonation at bay when running boost and higher CR. I am only running 6 psi on my setup, and I have to keep timing relatively low to run normal pump gas. If I run 110 leaded I can of course run more timing (and make a bit more power) without seeing any knock. Also, using an ECU that has knock feedback controls (such as the AEM I am running) can save you in case you have a bad tank of gas. If you have any questions feel free to send me a PM. Good luck with your project. :cool: Brett |
I really like the extra large single turbo with stock C.R. When does your boost start coming on?
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