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Though not a 935, they were marketed by DP as DP935's. Not sure what the difference between the Kremer & DP was since DP did the body work for Kremer. The DP photo gallery page shows the same body work, except the 3rd light mounting in the tail. I have photos showing the same i/c with DP & Kremer logos.
I asked the seller for a copy of the '87 article, maybe he just quoted the article.
Here is a link to a 1984 Car & Driver article on a DP. Weight 2900 lbs., top speed 160. There are a few other articles on the site if you can read Swedish or German.
http://www.dp935registry.com/index.php?page=text&id=caranddriver
All the above information seems accurate. DP built the Kevlar body for Kremer racing 935 K2 in the late 70s and thru early 80s K3. I have a 1984 Kremer. It designates it as a 1984 kremer 935 street 2 (the old 70s k2 race body ) in the build letter documentation from Manfred Kremer. The performance lists 192 top speed with 480 HP. It differs from the original thread topic 1987 as it has the different LeMans nose and full Kevlar body. It was Designed by and built for Mario Andretti so it could be the begining of later built Kremer street 935 K2 and subsequent DP built cars. Kremer returned to building some k2 as the 1987 on Ebay indicates however it differs from my early 935 street 2 with more standard production bumpers, inner metal door sills etc, instead of Kevlar


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Sure but lets face it.. the use of "935" K2 or K3 is just for marketing these street cars . None of these street cars are close to a K2 or a K3 ... they obviously all started life the same way and are all very cool cars . The street cars being discussed are actually nicer looking than the "race version" K2 in my opionion .
The K3 , now that's different. I am in the process of re-stickering my K3 right now . Would like to see a photo of your K2 street car if you have one to post.

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well I just personally saw a K2 today as I will be building some exhaust for it shortly. I have read over the documents from Kremer etc and it states that it will do 190 and it has 400 some HP but they do look amazingly stock under the lid with the exception of the kremer IC and different muffler. The body though is amazing as the rear fenders and the front fenders are 1 piece kevlar

this is the car I saw

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If you go into the photo section of Pelican and click on the link to the Rennsport III photos Cotter's freshly restored K2 is pictured . There is some ohter funky 911 based car in the photos too so don't confuse the two .. here is a factory K2.. this car was driven by Bob Wolleck

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well I just personally saw a K2 today as I will be building some exhaust for it shortly. I have read over the documents from Kremer etc and it states that it will do 190 and it has 400 some HP but they do look amazingly stock under the lid with the exception of the kremer IC and different muffler. The body though is amazing as the rear fenders and the front fenders are 1 piece kevlar

this is the car I saw

http://www.voitureltd.com/

whoops Tony already replied. Oh well
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Sure but lets face it.. the use of "935" K2 or K3 is just for marketing these street cars . None of these street cars are close to a K2 or a K3 ... they obviously all started life the same way and are all very cool cars . The street cars being discussed are actually nicer looking than the "race version" K2 in my opionion .
The K3 , now that's different. I am in the process of re-stickering my K3 right now . Would like to see a photo of your K2 street car if you have one to post.

Go to www.voitureltd.com for pictures. Different strokes as it has leather interior with AC, ouch, why air? Well anyway it was designated Kremer 935 street 2 not as a K2 as the 1987 that was on Ebay. Great looking car you have there. Would prefer to have a racing version if I could turn the clock back a few years and be able drive well enough to strap into yours.

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The reason the seat bolster is worn most likely is because its scuffed each time you enter and leave the car. This is also greatly compounded by the extra bolstering of the sport seat option. Especially if some Fat A$$ owned the car. My 930 has 50k and its seat bolster is ripped. The gentleman I purchased it from was probably 270lbs.

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Can be run up to 1.3bar....GULP!
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This posting intrigued me and a quick review of the published Porsche racing engine data shows the boost level (1.3bar) was real...for those times. Actually, assuming they dropped the C.R. back to 6.5:1 and used the cam indicated, the power is right there in the books.
This really wasn't as much enlightenment as a reminder of the 930 TURBO we knew in it's time...not now, 30 years later. The TURBO of old wasn't a street machine, the first batch was an homologation, then the marketing departments follow-ups were very expensive exotics meant for one thing, top speed. For that it needed HP.
Since then it's been the Porsche marketing and Porsche buyers who have demanded and received a machine with usable power and thrills in a very speed limited world. It is the current crop of old and new TURBO owners who desire their thrills at something less than 100MPH so the engine has grown in displacement, retained very mild cams, smallish ports and more importantly the C.R. has been raised. All the while our fuel has become a sick joke. For the most part Porsche has used aerodynamics and technology to deliver top speed in modern TURBOS.
Watch that Porsche Porn video. That extreme power is there in a large 3.6L cammed, higher reving, lower compression motor running on corresponding HIGH boost. Serious cams, porting, Large turbo(s) and compression ratio reduction are almost unheard of today in the quest to build midrange torque. Lost knowledge?
If you want MAX HP, and can wait for it, it's still there. I think a comment in the Porsche Porn thread is he does "unconventional things to his engine". ...probably follows the TURBO racer component list of 30 years ago.

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The reason the seat bolster is worn most likely is because its scuffed each time you enter and leave the car. This is also greatly compounded by the extra bolstering of the sport seat option. Especially if some Fat A$$ owned the car. My 930 has 50k and its seat bolster is ripped. The gentleman I purchased it from was probably 270lbs.

Nice.. glad you edited your comments
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Hey its the truth. Most wealthy individuals tend to be fat A$$s
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Beautiful...

I agree, I'm still impressed with the distance in to the stock door skin. That is serious Wide-body.
In the late 80s I worked in the same building with a young broker who had a red Kremmer like the red Mario car shown above. Wow, startling ride but totally out of place on Detroit's bombed out streets. I sold my widebody up there for that reason.
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Hey its the truth. Most wealthy individuals tend to be fat A$$s
No offense but that is one of the most ignorant satements I have ever heard . Bill Gates , Steven Jobs , Rob Walton , professional athelets , actors... Larry Ellison .. big car buffs Nicholas Cage, Paul Newman , Jay Leno, and the list goes on and on with everyday people all wealthy and lean

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No offense but that is one of the most ignorant satements I have ever heard . Bill Gates , Steven Jobs , Rob Walton , professional athelets , actors... Larry Ellison .. big car buffs Nicholas Cage, Paul Newman , Jay Leno, and the list goes on and on with everyday people all wealthy and lean

I said nothing about car buffs. Fact is most wealthy are over weight here in the US. I come in contact with at least one "High-Net-Worth Individual" a day. Id say 99% are male 48 and up 50% are 200lbs+. I know in this time of political correctness we don't like to profile
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This is just the car to show up in to your local PCA event. Their stiff upper lips will probably crack. Yeah this one would upset both the early 911 prudes as well as the late model phony rich types. Anyways being a product of the 80s I grew up with these cars. I really miss these make no excuses balls to the wall Porsches.

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I bid on this car only to find out after auction close he was originally looking for 120k. The Ebay bid was only 1/3 that. I know of comparable cars getting more than 60K but never heard of a street Kremer or DP getting $120K. Anyone hear of other verifiable results?

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I bid on this car only to find out after auction close he was originally looking for 120k. The Ebay bid was only 1/3 that. I know of comparable cars getting more than this result but never heard of a street Kremer or DP getting $120K. Anyone hear of other verifiable results?
Well like my wife the Realtor always reminds me, to find it's worth place it on the market. It's worth what someone will pay for it. I suspect he will sit on it for awhile
Say what you want about eBay, most bidders are not out there looking for a deal. Instead they are looking for: 1) available and 2) rare. Right now there is a very large international following bidding on Porsches (and light aircraft). Many have the exchange rate in their favor.
$45K sounds about right for a modded 930 with dated exotic body styling. Not even that much HP compared with what many of you are driving around with. I think you were in the ballpark and this one is going to end up in an estate sale. Sold off by the kids for a big loss............just as most current Barrett Jackson muscle cars will be.

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Well like my wife the Realtor always reminds me, to find it's worth place it on the market. It's worth what someone will pay for it. I suspect he will sit on it for awhile
Say what you want about eBay, most bidders are not out there looking for a deal. Instead they are looking for: 1) available and 2) rare. Right now there is a very large international following bidding on Porsches (and light aircraft). Many have the exchange rate in their favor.
$45K sounds about right for a modded 930 with dated exotic body styling. Not even that much HP compared with what many of you are driving around with. I think you were in the ballpark and this one is going to end up in an estate sale. Sold off for what the kids can get for it............just as most current Barrett Jackson muscle cars will be.
Not to get to far off topic here however I think Kremer and DP cars are in a different catagory than muscle cars unless they are the Trans AM or Can AM inspired muscle cars developed late 60s thru the early 70s that could actually be used on a road course. I think the later cars developed by Kremer, DP Motorsports, Andial, Franz Blaum, Alan Johnson, RUF to name a few in some cases a further developed than the factory produced street cars . Kremer and DP among others were not hack jobs but "Form follows function" creations to get areodynamic and weight advantages derived from the sucessful race versions just as other limited production specials were. Some of the later DP, Andial, Kremer work was even tolerated by the Porsche factory and was a further development of one of the most sucessful road racing cars ever produced by anyone. The stigma attached to the turbo that was hyjacked by the gold chain set is history. They have moved on to new fantasies for some time now. I think some of these cars a bargin with factory Race 935 into 7 figures, Kremer 935 k3 getting close to seven figures and street 911RS towards $300K and RSR and 934 heading for the moon. About the going established asking price inquiry of Street Kremer, RUF, DP Motorsport, any other sale results?

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well, if the Kremer street cars can run 1.3 bar, then I don't see why everyone is scared to go over1 bar. they've been doing it since the 70's.
Hear Hear. I have seen the boost on my Kremer street version occasionally go over 1.3 bar when using 100+ octane leaded fuel. It shows no ill effects with over 12,000 miles,albiet not on maxium every drive. Some of the internal mods according to the spec sheet from Manfred Kremer are Group B cams, enlarged and polished ports, fully matched and modified cylinder heads, using some 956 technology along with modified turbo, special intercooler, waste gates, fuel enrichment and exhaust system resulting in 480 HP. I would also suspect a lower compression of 7.0 or less and ignition timing changes. They along with Porsche and others long ago realized the advantages of a lower fixed compression ratio and boost that is adjustable to achieve maxium performance output depending on Fuel,humidity,temperature,altitude etc.

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Sure but lets face it.. the use of "935" K2 or K3 is just for marketing these street cars . None of these street cars are close to a K2 or a K3 ... they obviously all started life the same way and are all very cool cars . The street cars being discussed are actually nicer looking than the "race version" K2 in my opionion .
The K3 , now that's different. I am in the process of re-stickering my K3 right now . Would like to see a photo of your K2 street car if you have one to post.

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