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Which one would YOU buy?

I'm looking for a pre-993 turbo. Budget around 40 to 45K. I'm not in a huge rush to buy. Which turbo would you get? Why?
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'89 930.

Last of that body style.. and it has a 5 speed transmission

failing that, a '94 3.6 turbo.. but good luck finding one in that price range. (would have been my first choice if your funds were not limited)
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I would get a 964t
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There is a guy on here with a very nicely built 930 with a G50 in it for sale. He's looking for something close to 49 but may be willing to negotiate. Great looking car with all the right mods short of EFI.

Short of that, if I was going to do it again I would buy a 965 for the coilovers and G50. A few bucks into it and you can have 400hp in no time. Personally I think the 965 is THE best looking 911 of all time.

Alternatively its probably easier to lighten a 930 than it is a 965 if you are looking to make a lightweight hot rod.
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965 has definite limitations regarding rear tire size - something like 285 (295?) max - FWTW.
C2 turbos are usually pretty porky too -

No judgement, just fact ;-)
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What do you want to do most with the car??

C2 has power steering, great Climate Control, (when it works), ABS, Slightly revised suspension and geometry However...

A really sweet older 930 can easily make you not care about any of the above, the sound, feel, and overall character of those cars puts them in a league of their own...

I think it all boils down to what you want to do with the car and what type of stuff matters to you...

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P.S. The '89 G50 does offer a little of both worlds
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What do you want to do most with the car??

C2 has power steering, great Climate Control, (when it works), ABS, Slightly revised suspension and geometry However...

A really sweet older 930 can easily make you not care about any of the above, the sound, feel, and overall character of those cars puts them in a league of their own...

I think it all boils down to what you want to do with the car and what type of stuff matters to you...

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P.S. The '89 G50 does offer a little of both worlds
It would be a weekend car as well as seeing 6-8 track days/year. I love my 3.6 911 SC, but I'm turning 50 next month and I've wanted a big, fat turbo since I was a kid. I want a black on black coupe. That is the car I have always seen in my dreams.
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$45K gets you whatever 930 you want. Good for you!
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It would be a weekend car as well as seeing 6-8 track days/year. I love my 3.6 911 SC, but I'm turning 50 next month and I've wanted a big, fat turbo since I was a kid. I want a black on black coupe. That is the car I have always seen in my dreams.
You've got to get the '89 G50 then- it's the classic that you've probably always thought of- with the best gearbox. I think they are going to appreciate (already starting too)- so I'd try to find one as soon as you can. Make sure you get a good ppi- one thing that's nice about the 930's is they are infinitely modifiable (is that a real word?) which makes them fun...but there are a lot of nuckleheads out there (me included) who may not have the complete knowledge necessary to hot rod them without causing damage/reliability issues.
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Sounds like I should narrow my search; '89-'94.
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It depends what you are looking for.
If a 911 turbo, you have a larger variaty of machines out there, but if you're looking for a real 930 you would have to narrow it down to 76 - 79 or gray market machines.

I agree with rsrmike, real 930's have a mistike - handling, balance, stance, brakes, engine sound...- of their own. My2c.
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Sounds like I should narrow my search; '89-'94.

I have a feeling the 76-77 930's will be quickly become the most sought after.. However the 89's and up will be the best shifting cars..
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89 930 has my vote.
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I would go 91-94 if you want to drive it on the street with some comfort. I personally like them the best as it is a much more refined car with a lot of little hiddin upgrades. The tire sizes are limited unless you want to spend some coin though and they are a bit on the hefty side as craig said.
94' 3.6 Turbo= king
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Having driven both the 930's (89's and pre), owning a 92 964T and driving a 94 3.6T, it really depends on what you are going to be looking for.

The pre 89's only have the 4 speed, but in the real world, especially if its a weekend car, you aren't going to need anything higher than 4th gear, or you are going ludicrous speed.

I was specifically looking for an 89 and up, since I knew I would be commuting to work with mine 62 miles each way at 80 mph, so I knew I needed the 5 speed. I also liked the interior of the 964 and 993 better than the interior of my 86.

The one year only in the US 3.6T's are all very expensive. Its not worth getting into a discussion on whether or not its worth it, as its over your price range.

For a comparison, I paid in the very low $40's for mine, but then had to do about $5K worth of work to get it to where I wanted it to be. It had 34,XXX miles on it when I bought it, and has a lot of very good mods to it.

I wouldn't shy away from a modded 930, if it was done properly and it passes a good PPI. The garage queens seem to be more expensive, and in the end, I knew I was going to want more power, so what not let someone else take the hit on the $$$ for the mods.

There are a couple of pictures of my car on the Grady / Roger breakfast thread on the 911 Tech forum.

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I never met a 930 turbo I did not like if it was well taken care of. The earlier cars are closer to the original homolegation, subsequent models seem to loose something in nimbleness and general ambiance. After mid 80 they seem more ponderous to drive. I guess you can detune these back to the original design but the best I believe as built are the 78 to mid 80s. As far as paying a lot for the granny 1st gear 5 spd I will leave that to the nuvo speculators to pay extra for, like they pay extra for the S models of everything along with the first or last year of production. Ho Hum. Just my impressions. I own 10 now 2 after 86. I say get one while the getting is good. There were not that many made and the hot street RS RSR are already way over 200K and according to the factory writings the 930 was the next generation of performance enhanced street offerings. They should know they designed and built them all. Soon the masses may discover what they are missing and "poof " the pickings could get pretty slim in a hurry.

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Ok, Ok, Time to swing this thing back to the four speed cars for a minute...

I drove past Miguel's 930 on my way out of Barber's this weekend and it brought back memories...
(Sorry I didn't stop to say hello, I was already late to meet my sister to PPI an Audi for her.)

I must confess, I've never owned a 930, I've had a 79 SC and an 84 euro928S, considering I'm only 30 and the 928 was recently replaced by a beautiful baby girl, it may be a while on the 930...

I have however, had the luxury of having many very nice cars trusted to me for TLC over the last 10 yrs or so. Many have been offered for lots of seat time on and off the track

Up until recently, my very favorite particular Porsche was a '94 3.6T I maintained for two owners over about 8yrs. This car was a "paint to sample silver" brighter than any factory color. The only mods it had were eibach springs, fabspeed catbypass, andial 1.1bar spring, and a fresh set of Pilot sport PS2's. Sadly, it was replaced by a GT3 and went to a Japanese airline pilot in San Francisco. I still miss that car, and I only maintained it!! He did let me drive it alot though. That car seemed like all I could ever want and more from a Porsche

My new favorite is a 400hp RS America but that's another story for later...

The first turbo I ever spent alot of time in was an '87 factory slopenose, It had nearly every engine mod you could throw at it short of EFI when I started working on it. Kokeln IC, twinplug, SC cams, headers, T-36S?, Andial Fuel enrichment, carrillo rods, etc,etc
I freshened the engine after 70Kmiles at 1.34 bar of boost(ask me about that one) and added 3.4 P/C's and GT2 evo cams, somewhere along the way the garret got replaced by a K-27.

That car had a stock 4 speed and it was by no means a handicap. Considering it was a struggle for the 315-35/17's to maintain traction in first gear, I'm not sure I would have wanted to try anything else. 60 mph in first, 95 in second, and 140 mph in third gear wasn't too bad either. I don't even know about fourth...

I will never forget those looong torque filled pulls between shifts...

The only bad thing was we changed syncros, shiftsleeves, and dogteeth, more than once in 120K miles.
The 930 has thick, heavy gears, w syncros smaller than a 915 trans. They typical shift smoother than the 915's because of this (I think) but they don't last as long.

Also, a good working cable clutch w/ fresh cable and properly set-up clutch assembly is no harder on the leg than most of the G-50's out there...

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what the heck is a "nuvo speculator"?

I got the 964T based on the bullit proof reliability of the 3.3 and the somewhat upscale interior of the 964 an newer 911's. Yes it may not be as "raw", but that isn't always a bad thing. My suspension is sure a heck of a lot easier to dial in, with the coil overs...

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Nuvo Speculators, by my mind, are the new buyers that the "new to the marque" dealers usually target once the price on any given thing starts to appreciate. They generally sell First year, last year, yearly production and other blue sky options within a model to extract more $$$$. Even if that cars limited whatever's, are subjective. If you for any reason have the flavor of the month that they are promoting that is a good time to sell and "downgrade"to another 930 if you do not value the reason of the price difference.

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