It'll fit.

Cool thanks!

Ok, another probably dumb question but bare with me. Haven't done this project before. The adapter, do I have to drive it down to this lip (yellow arrow)? Or is it already on where it should be. I just didn't want to force it on there because it's already down to that out lip.

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Bill,

That orange seal inside should disappear and that lip should fit flush with the top of the turbo resting against where your yellow arrow is pointing.

Bryan

Alright, I guess it may be 'hammer-time'.

Bill,

That should not be fitting (at least for me it wasn't) that tight. Have you put a little oil around that orange seal. This will allow it to slide easier. I would try and fit that over the top without the seal first to make sure that there is no metal burrs or something that would prevent it from sliding on. Without the seal it should slide on with not too much force.

Then, add the seal with your lubricant of choice, then gently (with a rubber mallet or dead blow) tap it into place. You don't want to damage that seal.

Hope this helps,

Bryan

Yeah, I'll probably take it off and do as you suggested. In that pic it's REALLY tight. I don't want to mess up anything.

I think someone must have mod'd your Turbo throat before you received it. I have had two K27's and both needed CONSIIDERABLE grinding to be able to fit that adapter. I left it where I had to pound that adapter down with a mallet so it would seal well. But MY experience has been that the adapter would not go on either of my K27's without modification to the throat.

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Les, mine was easy without the o-ring seal. I am shocked that they would be so hard without, but I appreciate your input.

I wonder is Stephen at Imagine does this to ensure a tight fit, or it's just too tight of tolerances.

Have a good one.

Bryan

Hi,
At the turbo outlet, is there a little bit of a raised edge around the outlet?

Mine has a raised edge. But it isn't too far off. I will have to grind some down to get it to fit without pounding on it too much.

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Hi,
I had to take that edge down. It was so tight that I was sure it would "cut" the O-ring if it was forced. I took it down very slowly with a Hand file.

Yup that's what I'm getting ready to grind down. I thought I would use my bench grinder and go slow. Maybe even tonight.....

Here is another option for you that will not involve grinding the turbo lip.
I cut the end off of the stock up-pipe and added a length of hose. Cures a world of fitment woes.


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Yeah, I thought about that. I ended up grinding it down to make the adapter fit. I think all that's left in question is the 'TIN' that needs to be trimmed. I'm not sure what needs to be trimmed to make all this fit. Unless anyone has suggestions I'll figure it out on Friday..

Hi,
I've not wanted to carve up my boost pipe, but I'm going to do the same thing. All those O-rings and slip/swivel joints are leak prone. Also the change of IC and Turbo exacerbates the fitting/sealing process in the extreme. I'm not crazy about that adapter at all.

Not sure how the previous owner did it- but there's a picture of my cut down tube earlier in this post if you missed it. Looks like you need to cut, then grind it a bit to take the taper out and allow for a good seal. Bill- take a look at the pics on page 2, then Brian's attached, modded pipe- it makes sense to me and removes another link in the chain of possible leaks. I'd think about it some more before you start grinding on that turbo and take too much off- the lip may be nice to have to seal the hose if you're considering the tube mod option.

That small length of hose is a lifesaver when removing and installing the intercooler. You can wiggle the up-pipe all around until everyhting settles in and fits snug. It can also be adjusted up or down to give the exact hieght needed when everything is flush. I've had zero issues with it after what seems like 1000 intercooler removals.

RarlyL8 - What kind of hose did you use? Is that just standard radiator hose or is something I can get from Lowe's? I just wouldn't want it to melt. I'm thinking I may go this direction after all.

No, it is a silicon hose made for the application. Not inexpensive. The adapter you have is about the same money as my hose and clamp setup.
I did not mean to derail your use of the adapter only to offer an alternative if it does not work for you. I've seen some line up perfectly and some not even close. Depends a lot on the headers.

Where would I get a hose like that locally? Hydraulic shop?

I'll try out what I have, but I do like the flexability with a hose like what you have. Besides by going to a hose would that avoid trimming the tin?

Don't know about the tin, need to see pictures. You can mock it up with a cheap length of radiator hose and then make a decision. The turbo placement should not require trimming the tin. If it does there is an alignment issue somewhere.
Not sure how you did the header install. When I mock-up the SSI system Y-pipe I start by mounting the turbo in place and hooking everything to it and work backwards towards the heat exchangers. Too many things hook to the turbo for it not to be the focal point of proper fitment. Your headers may not have slip joints in places that allow that option.
Ben had some high heat hose and T-band clamps left over from turbo work he was doing. You might shoot him an e-mail.

Ditto!

Local SPEED shop if you have one. You can also get them on ebay or from TIAL Motorsports amongst others.

Hi Bill,
I haven't done mine yet. My plan is to machine it at the bottom and leave a non-tapered portion that has a recess for the hose clamp down into.

You should use silicone hose specifically made for turbo applications. It has the chemical and temp resistance ou need plus it is reinforced so that it can take the pressure from boost without bellowing much.
I ordered mine from ATPTurbo.com.....great prices and big selection.
I personally did not want to cut up my uppipe to the inercooler but like LESGARTEN said, I needed to make extensive mods to the end of my k27S turbo outlet to get the adaptor to fit. I destroyed 2 o-rings before getting everything fitted correctly. Included cutting 1/4 inch of the end of the compressor outlet to get the intercooler installed height somewhat level and correct. Your best lossening the compressor bolts so that it can rotate about the center section during the trial fit to make sure everything mounts ideally as well. Be patient as getting everything aligned after this swap is a PIA.
Worth the effort, the k27S is a great improvement in boost, reducing lag and boosting till redline. I have not dynoed yet but cannot wait for the chance.
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Hi,
It also makes more sense to chop up a $250 Boost pipe versus chopping up a $1500-$2000 turbo IMHO.

It all installed without a hitch today. We didn't even have to trim the tin and everything lined up. The only thing left to do is to get some of that flex heater tubing for the DS up through the tin. The stuff that was there basically fell apart.

About the time we got it to a point where we could actaully take it for a drive we already had about .5 in of snow on the ground. :mad: It' better melt ASAP because I can't wait.

Thanks for everyones help on this especially Oh Haha for being here to turn the wrenches with me!

Yep, no real problems at all today. Well, except for the stupid freakin' snowstorm that I had to drive home in with the 911. Yeah, it's not exactly a winter weather car.

I learned a lot from helping Bill with this install. One thing for sure is the fit of these GHL headers. Excellent fit with just a bit of manipulation. They really did just bolt right up to the heads.

This thing is going to be a beast!!!!!

As I was watching for oil leaks I kind of envisioned the old 935 techs working thier magic at the track, bumper off, big ol' turbo whining away inches from their faces, loving all of it.

Good times, good times.

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Guys,

Glad everything went well. I just moved to CA from West Michigan (Grand haven) and know about the frozen tundra that you are experiencing. I hope everything with the car works out.

Best of luck,

Bryan

Yeah, I'm not too keen on driving mine in the wet, and snow, forget it. I spent my formative years in Stuttgart. Now that I have my own 930, I think back to those guys driving 911's and 930's in snow and marvel at it.

Hey Bill, have you tried it yet?

When are you coming back south?

I'm curious about your mods... and would like to compare... :-)

Not yet, because we got about 3in of snow yesterday and last night. :( Oh well, it's melting fast so I'm hoping tomorrow I can try it. We'll see. I don't know yet. We haven't even talked about it. That's all up in the air right now as well. If we make it down there I'll make sure to give you the dates. The car will probably be quicker in a stright line but you'll still get me in the corners. :cool: I still have your receipe for suspension work and have collected some of the parts. Maybe that'll be my next winter project.

Thanks to Oh Haha for giving me some heater hose today. All I have to do now is get a hose clamp. I thought I had one but they were all just too short. I'll be done tonight for sure.

Here's a video link is anyone is interested...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LBxgrzc9xA

You know, I was going to ask if you had clamps when we talked today. duh

I like the sound clip. It is more quiet than the stock turbo by far.

Next Saturday is supposed to be 50 degrees. WOOHOO!!