Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Technical BBS > 1- Porsche Technical Forums > 911 / 930 Turbo & Super Charging Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 75
WOW Test Drive

Just got back from a very nice 1988 930 test drive. I need some help and opinions on a couple of area's. The goods: Car was spectacular shape inside and out, 72k miles, mechanically outstanding. The Bad's: Salvage rebuilt title due to a fire in the trunk area. Repaint replaced fuel tank, wiring lights etc. Flawless job and no sign of any issues. lot's of before and after pictures. Salvage titles hurt the resale value. I personally don't care as I am a no loan kind of guy for toys like this, but I can't help taking a couple of thou off the asking price due to that issue.

One other odd thing is the car has 225 rear tires and looks skinny in the back. Nice Michelin tires, I almost wonder if someone swapped the 9's for 8's. I could have sworn there were spacers on the rear wheels. Fuchs by the way.

I am trying to formulate an offer based on the goods and bads. I talked to Jerry on the board that just sold his immaculate 86 930 for $28.5. ( In the for sale section here)
My head is saying 26-27k for this nice car. My heart is telling me to pay more. Thoughts?

Last edited by Hautions11; 06-02-2008 at 06:48 PM..
Old 06-02-2008, 06:39 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
9dreizig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Reno NV, Bay Area during most weeks,, Kids still in NH
Posts: 5,738
Send a message via AIM to 9dreizig
First of all we want pics.. Secondly that's a bit high IMHO for a salvage titled car.. but a smokin deal for a 88 in great shape..
I don't think there are spacers on 88s in back, they were made thicker after 80 but am not 100% . but the 225s belong in front ( even skinny there in my mind)..
__________________
"Todd"
98 Tahoe ,2007 Saturn Vue
86 930 black and stock, 80 930 blue tracdog
91 Spec Miata (yeah I race a chick car)
"life"ll kill ya" Warren Zevon
Old 06-02-2008, 07:13 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 75



Here is one

Last edited by Hautions11; 06-02-2008 at 07:42 PM..
Old 06-02-2008, 07:34 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 75
Old 06-02-2008, 07:44 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 75
Old 06-02-2008, 07:49 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
boostfix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Posts: 255
My Porsche Turbo Specifications book has the following info regarding wheels:
Front: 205/50VR16 on 8Jx16 rims
Rear: 225/50VR16 on 8Jx16 rims (pre 86)
Rear: 245/45VR16 on 9Jx16 rims (since 1986)
Nothing in the book on spacers but a quick in the garage has my 88 wearing a set of spacers behind the stock Fuchs.
__________________
Dan
88 930 blk/gry
Old 06-02-2008, 09:20 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
boostfix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Posts: 255
Did you check out this thread?

What did you pay for your 930?
__________________
Dan
88 930 blk/gry
Old 06-02-2008, 09:23 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 75
930

Thanks Dan, for the spacer info. I will have seller check, but it may be that someone put 225's on the 9 inch rims. I read the what did you pay for your 930 post. I am not sure what the title condition devalues the car. I am still in the mid 20's after sleeping on it.
Old 06-03-2008, 03:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 5,131
Salvage title really devalues the car. Call your insurance agent and find out what you will get if the car is totalled or stolen. Most likely, it is @ 1/2 the value of a clean title 930 of similar year/mileage/condition.
__________________
Bryan O.
77 930
08 Boxster
14 535i M Sport
Old 06-03-2008, 05:04 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 5,131
It's really hard to tell if those are 8s or 9s in the rear as they look alike. Here's my car with 245s on 9s and stock rear spacers. It's hard to tell, but I think that car is running 9s. One reason for the 225s is 245 tires are getting hard to find. That is why lots of people have moved up to 17" or 18", along with aesthetics.



__________________
Bryan O.
77 930
08 Boxster
14 535i M Sport
Old 06-03-2008, 05:14 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
"I wuz the liquor..."
 
sand_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cooterville, Cackalacky
Posts: 6,411
Hi and welcome!

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to be an azz here - just gonna speak my peace, and that ain't worth a whole helluva a lot! A salvage title for me is a deal breaker. From the description, the car sounds excellent. I just don't like baggage. I don't like "stories"...that's just me. If I feel this way, others do too, and if I were ever put into a position of having to sell, I don't want that sword hanging over my head.

If it were an '89 model with the five speed tranny priced in the $20s, I might feel differently. If you've got time, the right one is out there. The search is part of the journey! I think when a car comes with a story, you need to remove your heart from the equation.

If I were building a track car, or had plans to do a 934 or 935 conversion, I'd consider a salvage car, but not for something I intended to keep stock. I just don't think there is a shortage of good cars, yet, to consider this an option.

Best of luck, and again, it is not my intention to sound abrasive,
Jeff

PS: who knows, maybe this one is right for you...
__________________
-jeff
back in the saddle: '95 993 - just another black C2
*SOLD*: '87 930 GP White - heroin would have been a cheaper addiction...
"Ladies and Gentlemen, from Boston Massachusetts, we are Morphine, at your service..." - Mark Sandman (RIP)
Old 06-03-2008, 05:19 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 56
I have to totally agree with sand-man. You also should check with your insurance company to see if they will even insure it. Post Katrina, there has been a reluctance to insure Salvage titled cars because of flooded cars coming out of the Gulf states. For me, I would only buy a Salvage car if I was going to use it as a race/track (non-titled) car. Bottom line is that it will be harder to sell when you want to let it go and it will never be worth near as much as a car with a clean title. My guess is somewhere around 2/3's the market value (and that may even be high).

Todd
Old 06-03-2008, 06:12 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 75
Thanks for the input guys. I agree with the de-value of the title status. I do have time and agree with you Sand Man. Not abbrasive at all. That is why I am asking the question. In the mid-west it is a little harder to find a selection of good cars. I have seen several decent 79's in the mid to low $20's but I like the newer ones for the AC etc, as this will be driven a lot in the summer. I believe waiting is worth it in this case. I don't think this car will fly off the market. As I said earlier I talked to Jerry last night with an 86 for sale on this board and it was a clean Very Stock example 64k miles for 28.5. That is a good bench mark that this car should be de-valued from. 2/3 of 30 is still only $20k. I doubt it will go that low but the market will tell. Thanks again.
Old 06-03-2008, 06:30 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
"I wuz the liquor..."
 
sand_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cooterville, Cackalacky
Posts: 6,411
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hautions11 View Post
I have seen several decent 79's in the mid to low $20's but I like the newer ones for the AC etc, as this will be driven a lot in the summer.

Just FYI, even the AC in the "newer" 930s is not very good. Don't get me wrong, these cars *can* have cold AC, but usually involves aftermarket solutions. The AC in my '87 was "cold" for two weeks...then it made me sweat! So I've ditched it! As I like to say, I have AC in the winter and heat in the summer! So I wouldn't let AC keep me from looking into an "early" car. You could always upfit with AC componets that work!
__________________
-jeff
back in the saddle: '95 993 - just another black C2
*SOLD*: '87 930 GP White - heroin would have been a cheaper addiction...
"Ladies and Gentlemen, from Boston Massachusetts, we are Morphine, at your service..." - Mark Sandman (RIP)
Old 06-03-2008, 06:37 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
onboost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Metro DC
Posts: 5,319
Ahhhhhh... ok, here's my 02 cents,

First, are you buying the car to enjoy or for re-sale?

You state that with the salvage title you "can't help taking a couple of thou off the asking price due to that issue". If that makes the deal sweeter, and you want the car, and it checks out as it should.. then it just comes down to how offensive the salvage title is to you and what issues (if any) it may present down the road.

A lot of car are issued salvage titles based on a formula of value vs. cost of repair for the Ins co. In many cases the car has minimal damage, the parts estimates are based at retail prices, and the vehicle is more than 10yrs old.. they will try to salvage.

In a situation such as stated on this car, it was written off because the Ins Co had no way of calculating, unseen post fire damage and/or what the cost of wiring repair would be. You state that the repair is well documented with pics etc.. that's a plus.

In some states, you can get a salvaged titled cleared upon the next registration and positive vehicle inspection. In other states the car will have to be inspected, and the new title in your name may be branded rebuilt.

I don't think I would alert my insurance company that I'm going to buy a vehicle with a salvaged title. This car has documentation of both the damage and the repair which should go a long way in the event of a loss while in your possession and or the event that you decide to sell.

For me, as a perspective purchaser, based on the disclosure of the previous damage.. my biggest concern now would be at what price point do we arrive at to make me feel comfortable with the purchase.

Not a sermon, just a thought...

Paul
__________________
RGruppe #180
So many cars..so little time!!
Old 06-03-2008, 06:40 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
"I wuz the liquor..."
 
sand_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cooterville, Cackalacky
Posts: 6,411
Paul makes some good points. I should mention, that I know very little about "salvage value" and the process for declaring one. Just when I see it, I run the other way...
__________________
-jeff
back in the saddle: '95 993 - just another black C2
*SOLD*: '87 930 GP White - heroin would have been a cheaper addiction...
"Ladies and Gentlemen, from Boston Massachusetts, we are Morphine, at your service..." - Mark Sandman (RIP)
Old 06-03-2008, 06:48 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Porsche Junky
 
mede8er's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Salida, CO
Posts: 1,804
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by WPOZZZ View Post
Salvage title really devalues the car. Call your insurance agent and find out what you will get if the car is totalled or stolen. Most likely, it is @ 1/2 the value of a clean title 930 of similar year/mileage/condition.
+1

Either wait this seller out for a much lower price or move on...it's a buyers market...
__________________
1986 930 RUF equipped
Old 06-03-2008, 06:53 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
onboost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Metro DC
Posts: 5,319
Sand_Man..

Your points well taken also!

I've actually dealt with several cars that have had the salvage title issue.. minimal damage, but the insurance company didn't have enough experience with that particular type of damage. In other cases the adjuster that wrote the claim was new to the game, insured was a high roller with the means to create issues with/for the company.. etc.

The age of the vehicle plays a big part, and if the owner is not a real enthusiast or doesn't really care, then they will total/salvage the car.

This whole "scary salvage title" thing really came about with the advent of places like Car-Fax.. which was primarily geared to catch all the crappy Jap cars that were being spliced back together and sold as low mileage cream-puffs. Most of the high end stuff that got smacked was usually broken for parts as they were worth more that way!

Don't get me wrong though... there is a fine line there and one can get burned on a salvaged car also.. I think you just have to look at each one separate and apart from the next.

That is except for one category.... cars that have been in the water!! Forget about it, they're parts cars only in my opinion! Damn, I think I've been at this too long.

P-
__________________
RGruppe #180
So many cars..so little time!!
Old 06-03-2008, 07:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 17,273
For what it's worth, the car should have 28mm spacers on the rear. 9" wheels are easy to spot, as the lug nuts are recessed into the wheel about a half inch. Can't tell from the photos you posted exactly what's on there.

JR

Last edited by javadog; 06-03-2008 at 10:25 AM..
Old 06-03-2008, 08:02 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #19 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: S. Florida
Posts: 7,212
930's came with 28mm spacers on the rear. I just measured that.
You can use 21mm spacers if you want to move the wheels inboard a little bit.
There's lots of room for wider wheels and tires in the back.

I think the 21's were on the rear of some 944's, and possibly on the fronts of very early 930's which had different hubs and rotors than the mid 80's cars..
Old 06-03-2008, 08:51 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #20 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:12 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.