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Should I lower me '87 mesself or have shop do it?

I've got the bug to loose my Rancho look, and have read archived posts here how-to. Fronts are a joke, rears not bad it seems tho I'm only an average DIY'er.

Then have to get it aligned, and I figured I'd have it corner balanced while at it.

For giggles I bounced it off the local shop I would have it aligned at to see what they'd get to do it all.

$785 - includes a bump-steer kit installed.

My questions are:

Is ^this^ reasonable? Not knowing how $ a bump-steer kit is, I'm trying to determine if having them do the whole shebang would be worth it since I'd already be paying for an alignment if I lowered it myself.

Do I "need" the kit? Car already has 'some' bump-steer. Would I be "ok" w/o it? Or fool not to?

From what I read / hear, clocking the rear bar can be a beoch if you're not that savvy (I'm not).

Any insight appreciated. Danka!
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Do it yourself, do a search under my name and you will see some good pointers with pictures.

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You should lowered it yourself. The front is easy. You may or may not need a bump steer kit based on how much you lower the front. I would swap out the rear spring plates for adjustable ones since you need to take them off to re-index them. This will make corner balancing and setting the rear right height less time consuming for a shop.
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Thanks gents.

Yes the fronts are a joke it's the rear I was concerned with. Something about inner splines and their ratio to outer splines, etc. I'll do a search under you Yasin, maybe I missed your posts last I searched.

Regarding the adjustable spring plates - how much and where from?

Is it best to do this on a lift or the ground? I have access to a couple for DIY work if need be which is good, and a local 930 nut said he'd look over me shoulder. Hmmm.

I'm not aiming to go crazy low so hopefully I could make do sans bumpy steer bits then?

I just got the breakdown on the estimate: the BS kit (HA!) is $100 and the alignment is ~ $200... leaving $485 for the lowering part. Er, that's inspiration I think...

Appreciate the input as always!
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Well there are bump steer spacer kits for the rack and there are bump steer kits for the tie-rods(with or without including tie-rods). The price varies according to quality and quantity of parts. The spacers for the rack, work OK if you do not go very low. the tie-rod kits are the preferred method. Mine came with tie-rods and spacer collars for the tie-rod ends, and ran me $225.00 for a RSR brand thru Loos Motor Sports, who by the way are great folks to work with.
A decent alignment will run you $150.00, and a corner balance with alignment $250.00 +/-.
Dropping the rear is not difficult, but can be a game of trial and error until you get it just right. But after the third or so try...you get real fast at it!!
Remember, trying to do it yourself can only lead to 2 things...personal success & a trip to the alignment shop or ......a learning curve and a trip to the alignment shop. Either way you are still ending up at the alignment shop, just one way might save you some money.

P.S. I went 2 inch's below euro spec. so I know low! Don't go lower than your area road conditions and your driving awareness level.

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Not to hijack but I need to drop my front a little and I searched for slow&rustys thread but after looking over 20 pages of his postings didn't find it
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Do your own Alignment

If you have two jack stands and a string, an aluminum spirit level and a scale, you can align your own car.
I used to align my SC and now I align my 965.
If you are not going to track your car, careful ride height setting will corner balance your car good enough for road use. I would recommend having your weight in the drivers seat and the maximum amount of gasoline you will run (I keep 1/2 of a tank full on board at most). Set the ride height as close as you can get it and then align.
For the first time it will take eight hours to do, but it is one of the more financially and emotionally rewarding DYI's you can do.
My only hint that you won't find in the other threads is to match mark the adjustment bolts for rear toe and camber. That way if you turn a bolt in the wrong direction, making camber more positive when you wanted to go more negative, for example, it's easy to go back and move the bolt in the right direction and by the right amount. That is a big time and frustration there.
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Thanks Mark & Paul.

I don't want to go 'that' low, just rid the Rancho look. And no way Jose I'll DIY my alignment - I have the Fecal Touch, ya see...

Kilodawg... get out there NOW and lower that sucker. I'm *so* kicking myself for not better listening to everyone who said it was a joke (fronts, that is). Holy crap - what a total joke.

Put car on stands last night, loosened torsion bar adjusting bolts 1/2 turn, put car on ground - VOILA! I may not even bother clocking the rears now - it looks damn good. Literally took me 2 minutes. 11mm socket and you're done. Look under the rear of the control arm, near the jack point, you'll see a long hex bolt on each side - that's the one.

Car looks sooooooooooo much better I cannot believe I waited this long (had car since fall).

I'm left wondering if I even need to realign right now since I only went down 'some'. Knowing me I'll prolly give the rears a whirl and bring the front down a tick to maintain rake, then go for the align - the rears will likely start to urk me, my guess.

Thanks again for the motivation / support gents!!! I'll get surfing on the rears - tho since Kilodawg came up short... hey Yasin, can you point us the way?
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Post a pic dude!
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Post a pic dude!
Heh heh - will do. No camera with me @ orifice but will snag one tonight or something. Amazing at what an enormous difference such a subtle change that can make!
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Oh yeah..

Makes an imediate change in the look and sometime can quickly notice in the feel of the car etc..

I'm 6' even and usually between 196- 203-lbs dependant upon summer or winter, and how much Ben & Jerry's and/or Becks I've consumed.. thus I have a tendancy to set my cars up slightly higher on the drivers to compensate for the weight once I'm aboard. Seems to work pretty well for me.

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About the same here - and due to the same circumstances - must be a Paul thing heh heh.

Will do, thanks.

I was just out to lunch and got some good looks at it. Not sure the rear really needs to come down. What it needs it - sigh - 17's. D'oh. But I may just may keep this ride height. I'll post pics you guys can give me your thoughts.
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I know a guy that has a set of 18" Speedlines he wants to sell w/tires.. think he's right about $2500 or less.

Do a search for Speedlines on the 911 technical board.. Matt4hand posted up about the wheels as he had them on his car, then didn't come through on the purchase, so they are still available.

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You don't even need to jack up the car to lower the front.
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