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As far as Plymouth's go I prefer the fastbacks!



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Car guys are car guys, the make of the car don't matter.
I cut my teeth on muscle cars and still own my first car. The torque of those rat monsters was nothing short of orgasmic. Even so I can't see the prices some of these old cars are bringing. Hopefully the 930 will enjoy some of that type of inflation some day.

True story - back in the day a fellow I knew needed a bad-ass engine for his 'Cuda. Where do you think he found one? A tractor that pulled in the unlimited class in the county fairs. No lie, this machine had THREE blown 426 hemis!
Now maybe you see where my perspective comes from. When my buddies launched a big block the first place they would go for another was a grain truck or an RV. All of those ultra-heavy utility vehicles had 454s with headers and 850 Holleys as delivered from the factory. All that power and drum brakes ...
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I can't understand why people are paying so much for muscle car reproductions. When I was a teenager in the early to mid-70s you could buy any nice muscle car you wanted for 3K. The cars that are being reproduced now don't look like they did in the 70s.
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Hey, watch it! That hurts!

I get far more attention when driving the Plymouth than the 930. I think the average person can relate to it more.

And, by the way, let me know the next time you run accross a dumptruck with a 426 in it. LOL




Doug that car is sick! I have a 67' RT and GTX but don't have a hemi!
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first car

"My" first car was actually my father's 1958 fuel injected 4 speed Corvette. I "Borrowed" it starting in 8th grade when he was out of town on business (I'm sure he knew I drove it but never made an issue of it).
Spooky ride but I didn't have anything else to compare it to. Learned a lot by getting it sideways a couple of times - like, Don't get it sideways. We both survived. That is one of many reasons I have had Porsches over the years and not the muscle cars of my youth. EP Slick - Tucson
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Doug that car is sick! I have a 67' RT and GTX but don't have a hemi!
Plus 1000, I especially like that engine p@rn...

Before I bought my 930, I was shopping for a 1965 Pontiac GTO. Prices were already insane, and at the time, my $35K would have bought a pretty beat up car in need of work. In same instances, the cars I found were "basket cases". I passed...no more restorations for me. I hate body work with a passion!
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"...Guys are selling old SS Chevelles for $75,000. Certain Hemi Cudas, how about $250,000?"

The wheels that actually fetch that kind of coin are few and far between.

Sure there are rare cars like Yenko Camaros and real Hemi Cudas that can fetch the truly big bucks, but so can the rarer 911's - like a 911 RSR.

Often the asking price reflects what the person put into the car, and more than a bit of optimism, not what they really get.

From here it looks like the desirable 60's muscle cars are appreciating just a bit faster than 930's, but a lot depends on age, condition, rarity, and of course how authentic they are.

Like 911 RSR, RS, or IROC clones, there are more 1969 Z28's on the road today than Detriot ever built, the same with Boss 302 Mustangs, GT350's, etc. The difference is that the Porsche community does not usually try to pass off clones of limited-production vehicles as the real thing.

IMHO, it's an age thing - both the age of the cars and the people desiring them. It used to be 50's and early 60's cars, now it's the muscle car era. However, when it comes to 70's & 80's cars, there just weren't that many that were highly desirable - 911's, 930's and Ferrari 308/328 cars are among the very few that come to mind.

My brother-in-law bought a '70 'vette a few months ago. Not a great car - not a big block or an LT1 - and he paid $13k. I don't think much of it, but it's the car he always wanted in high school. According to the NADA web site the car is worth $29K - $70k, which is nonsense.

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I really like Hemis.....
The only American car idea/thing I cant take are the BUNGHOLES who get a beat up old G or F body, spend $4,000 in Jegs magazine, and think they are the second coming because they have a 10 second car. In my opinion these are the scum of automobiles, even worse than the Honda kids (I have a honda too). At least the Honda guys have to work to get power out of their cars- it doesn't take ANY SKILL to get 500 horse out of a 350 on spray and then couple it with a turbo 400 with a transbrake. When I see this crap it makes me want to throw-up because it is so unorigonal it is not funny. I like seeing the dork at the track with a Geo-metro running a 10 second 1/4- that is impressive, not the guy the bought an 80's malibu and "Jegs-ed" it out.
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[QUOTE=RarlyL8;4001256]With all due respect, the muscle cars of our youth were ill handling heavy low rpm truck motor powered death traps. =QUOTE]

LOL! I had a '69 GTO convertible in high school (class 1987) that my brother and i bought for $1500. Was a cool car to style, rumble around in and lay some rubber, but what a freaking pig compared to my Capri, Fiat 128 and Volk GTi that i owned later on. It was my first car, and i thought that anything that looked that good must handle... wrong!!!! The body roll was criminal, even with new shocks and beefed up springs. And the brakes were horrible for a car of it's size. Seems like i remeber a quote from Dr. Porsche about how american cars of his era should be banned from european roads for such shoddy brakes, suspension, etc.

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I was fortunate to grow up in a car family and my father bought three new cars every year.. a Caddy , A Corvette and a Porsche. My father introduced Porsche to our Nor Cal neighborhood and soon you were seeing 911's everywhere in my town during the late 60's . I do own I have three 69 Z/28's . One Van Nuys survivor one owner car, a fully restored Z and my driver Z . I took the complete original drive train out of it and built a 427 SB that makes almost 600 hp and 550 lb ft on a 9:5 to 1 motor on pump gas. I also put a full suspension under it with big brakes and a 5 speed and it handles pretty nice and is very fun to drive in the canyon. On the flip side, my stock Z (the 302 was initiated for the 305ci limit in the Trans Am series, the 69 SUNUCO Z/28 of Roger Penske won the T/A championship that year) is also fun to drive. Put some good gas in it and wind it up to between 5 to 8 grand and throttle steer that bad boy around the canyon roads is a blast.

That being said, I believe the original body style 911 turbo's are an incredible value . I owned my 83 for almost 20 years and wish I still had it.




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Really nice Camaro's VZ935, really nice. The Camaro has an excellent shape IMHO.
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The 60s Camaros have nice lines to them for sure, I work on my friends 69' SS a bunch and it is easier than brushing my teeth.
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Now maybe you see where my perspective comes from. When my buddies launched a big block the first place they would go for another was a grain truck or an RV. All of those ultra-heavy utility vehicles had 454s with headers and 850 Holleys as delivered from the factory. All that power and drum brakes ...
BB Chevy ZL-1, all aluminum, lighter than the flat six 930 engine, turned 8000RPM reliably. The earth literally shook when it passed by. Loved that monster!!!

Sorry Rarlyl8, had to tease you a bit. You fellow crotchety ol' bastard you!!
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The "exotics" of the muscle car world were ledgends back in the day.

That fellow I spoke of who put the tractor pulling blown 426 in his 'Cuda was an icon around town. The car was tubbed and ran 21" wide McCrearys. One of my buddies had an LS6 Chevelle, another a 455 T/A, 427SCJ Fairlane, the list goes on and on. The original LT-1 was more rare than hen's teeth, never saw one of those.

Now the late model muscle cars are truely unbelievable. The new Z06 delivers unworldly power at high-end SUV pricing.

Here is my first hotrod. 406 small block with dual 426 Hemi AFBs. Ralph Nader would have given the Corvair a 5 star safety rating after spending 30 seconds in this car. It came stock with a 350ci small block and drum brakes on 13" wheels.

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