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Which turbo 930/964/996?

Guys,

I'm struggling here, I sold my 911 last week with intentions of finding a nice 89 930 and living happily ever after. Upon further research and help from other Pelicans I'm now convinced I'm going to wait for a nice 91 964 turbo to come available.

But just in the last couple days I'm coming across 2001 turbo's that are reallly affordable and in my price range. It's tempting since I have literallly no time to work on the car myself and my wife has informed me it would be "nice" to have a Porsche where we could load up the kids, roll up the windows, turn the A/C on and actually take the car on a trip. Heck even the insurance is cheaper on the 2001.

I loved working on my 87 911, I did everything to that car, complete engine rebuild, brakes, calipers, valve jobs, wheel bearings, sway bars, boots, you name it I probably did it, I just don't have the time anymore and maybe I need something newer until the kids and my life isn't so demanding.

One of the things that concerns me though is the cost of maintenance on the newer models, can't imagine it's cheap.

Kind of rambling here, 16 hours of work today and 3 hours of searching for a turbo makes a long day.

Any insight or advice is much appreciated.

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Old 08-11-2008, 11:19 PM
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Sounds like the 996tt is what you are looking for, esp. if the wife just wants to jump in the car and run the ac. A 964t is nice, a 993tt is even nicer, but out of your price range. I had a 996 Carrera and the ac was very good. The larger size makes a difference when going on trips with passengers.
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I have to agree with WPOZZZ on this one based on your "needs"
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With the 996TT getting old you will run into some big bills if finding the wrong one. I run with a group
of guys here in FL that all of them have done tranny rebuilds 5k-7k. One has done two motors
which you buy a new one from porsche 25k. But these guys are track guys and the cars really never see the road. One of them also has a 996TT for the street and has only small things done like the clucth "master" which was cheap repair. Also a good place for info is rennlist and 6speed.
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You might want to test drive the 996tt before you make any decision. If you can afford it, look for nice 993tt would be the ultimate in your situation. Don't forget that the real reason you sold your car after you drove mine wasn't because the speed, but because of the raw power and raw handling of the 930. I'm sorry to have started you on this journey but I hope you are not confused with the real reason why you are here in the first place. I think if you go with 965, you would be much happier because it is still closer to 930. As for ac, put after market system in and your new ac would freezes your wife off.
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My heart strings are tied to the older cars, but I needed something with a "little" more modernity than torsion bars and accordion bumpers. I'm quite smitten with my 965, but I also went in understanding it has many of the weaknesses of the 930, just not as profound. The K27 is a big driving improvement. The G50 is night & day improvement. The A/C cranks, brakes are fantastic. I'm undecided about power steering, but coilovers and 964 geometry is a definite improvement. I had a high-power AWD car (500hp Audi S4) and when you got on the gas the car went STRAIGHT. I missed RWD and LOVE being able to right-foot-steer.
All that said, I hate the CIS. It's sad the CIS made it so long on the 930, but that it carried over to 965 is criminal. My engine is out right now for the requisite studs and rodbolts (doing it all myself), then to EFI. THEN it'll be perfect.
I long ago gave up on taking my project car on family road trips. My wife complains when I drive spiritedly (though my son loves it!), so why not just stuff everything in her A3 and get 30+mpg?
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If you don't want to mess with the car than buy the nicest condition 996tt you can find, end of story.

Drive it carefully, and I seriously doubt you will be rebuilding the engine or tranny on a regular basis.

Buy anything older than that and you will be spending time and money getting the car the way you want it, IMO. But it will be out of passion, not need.

The new cars you just leave alone and drive, I would think. The old cars you just end up messing around with for one reason or another.
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IMHO, "leave alone and drive" is why I have a boring daily driver and wife's car. The sooner my pet car doesn't need work, the sooner I tire of it and sell it. I have a track record of cars I croon over for 3yrs, spend embarrassing $$$$, then sell. Not something to be proud of with my working middle-class status. People see my engine on a stand and I assure them I'm extending my obsession with the car this way!!!
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The sooner my pet car doesn't need work, the sooner I tire of it and sell it.
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The day it is perfect...I will probably sell it. No fun without modifications to dream about.

I would like to hear some more of your EFI build some time. I know I will end up there some day and it will be mostly DIY.

I'd like to have 500 very reliable horses...shooting for 400 or so once the latest digiwur comes out.

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As soon as I know what the hell I'm doing, I'll let you know!
I dropped the motor to swap in a set of 3.6 Turbo cams... and I'm so disgusted with the results of years of oil leaks I'm just going to tear it all the way down and reseal it. This car had leaky injector stacks for so long my cylinder head cooling fins are packed solid with crud!!!
The EFI plan is actually very modest. Megasquirt, stock manifold, even the stock K27 for now. I will do ARP hardware since it's out and apart. 500hp would indeed be sweet, but I'm aiming for throttle response worthy of the rest of the car. 3k to 6k torque is my plan, so the K27 may serve for awhile with some proper off-boost fueling and timing.
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IMHO, it goes by stages, depending on the family cycle (i.e. kids, wife, confort, AC, room for luggage...); however, if you drive a real 930 you'll realize what the real thing is = No power steering or ABS or DCS or EFI or catalitic converter or computer....... just an awesome driving machine! And if you decide to get another car, you'll miss the 930 regularly. My2c.
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Buy the 965 3.6 if you can find one in great shape. EFI is troublesome if not done right, I have spent $$$$$ in search of the "one" and I haven't really had a car for three years.
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A '94 3.6 Turbo in great shape will be worth more than a 993TT in great shape, and I believe our thread starter mentioned budget concern. Original 3.6s are extremely valuable, and with only minor upgrades over a 965 3.3. 18" Speedlines alone are worth $5-6,000, the displacement bump and different cam gives 40 more hp (360).
I spent half as much on a 3.3 and almost have enough money left over to eat and pay the phone bill.
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I know that budget is a concern, but most buyer's look at the initial "buy-in" and then spend a ton trying to build an engine into something it is not intended for.
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That's a good point. I however, could have fun doing an engine swap on a Mk1 Rabbit. I'd also feel more pride in driving it than a 996TT. Anyone with a 6- or 7-figure income (common in my area) can write a check; I'm surrounded by them at the red light. This is why I bought a 3.3, so I had a good starting platform, and some headroom to work with too.
Sounds like Brian isn't afraid, and may actually *need* a car that requires more involvement than fill-ups.
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I think that in most case budget is only suggestion not a holy bible. I already blown my budget when decided to mod my 930 and I'm not even done yet.
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I think that in most case budget is only suggestion not a holy bible. I already blown my budget when decided to mod my 930 and I'm not even done yet.
Hah! You said "mod" and "done" in the same sentence!
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The 3.6's that I found in good shape are going for $60K and the 2001 996TT's can be had for almost $20K less.

I drive my cars quite a bit and it's really hard for me to spend $60K on a car I know I'm going to drive 3-5000 miles a year. Not sure the 3.6 will appreciate in value when its got 100,000 miles on it in 10 years and I don't want to limit how I use the car because I'm worried about resale value.

With that said the 3.6 is my dream car, an attainable dream, but still questionable at this point.
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Brian, are you planning on selling your dream? If your dream can be sold, then look for a different dream. I will never sell my dream and if my dream changed, then no price value for the old one. I would just said that was a good dream and continue to dream again. :-)

Follow your dream Brian.
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After weighing all the options I went with a a low mileage completely stock (right down to the cassette deck) 91 964 turbo.

Classic 911 looks, DIY to tinker on, well within my budget, A/C that works, solid PPI, ect.............. This is the car I dreamt about as a kid and now it's in my garage.

Flew to Minneapolis today and drove it home.

Here's a picture of the dirty car after the 6 hour journey home.



Thanks to all who helped me out with this decision, and a special thanks to Dai who started this crazy train by allowing me to drive his incredible 930 while I was in Calagary. After driving the beast I had no choice but to sell the Carrera and upgrade to the Turbo.

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