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Sand_Man,

I just picked up a provision 36' lighted borescope. Let me know if you want to borrow it to help diagnose your clutch issue. would work perfectly to fit through the bell housing to see what its hanging up on, if it is.

I just finished using it to diagnose my engine issue. Still somewhat stumped on what the problem is, but will probably have to pull her apart again to be on the safe side.
...calling you right now
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Old 08-23-2008, 05:21 AM
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Did you mean 36" inches?
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Did you mean 36" inches?
That would be correct. Forgot to hit the shift button...
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Old 08-24-2008, 07:47 PM
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How much do those things cost?
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Fitting - New service kit.
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1983 UK 911 3.2 Carrera Sport Coupe. Black, Black Leather with Red Piping, Black Alloy Gear Knob, K&N Air Filter Element, Turbo Tie rods.
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About $300 new. I picked mine up on ebay second hand for about $60. it was in like new condition, and had the mirror attachment (for viewing 90 degrees). If your going to buy something in the $300 range, I would probably go for a video scope, which has the lcd screen.

It definately saves a lot of time and effort to be able to see inside the engine through the drain plate, and spark plug holes.
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As I mentioned, I probably won't be ready to undertake this project, until I get my clutch situated. But I thought I'd add some pictures of the parts in question, to keep the dream alive. Again, I've decided not to go crazy, just want to replace some worn bushings and bearings with more "modern" alternatives.

Elephant Racing Control Arm PolyBronze bearings:


Elephant Racing Control Arm Mounts:


Elephant Racing Weather-Sealed Front Monoball Cartridge:


OEM tie rods:


Elephant Racing Bump Steer Tie Rod End (replaces one of the tie rod ends):
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I've decided to run new stock ball joints and hardware (not the de-cambered ones):
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Sandman,
as I am planing to refresh my front suspension too,
I had a longer call with Bilstein "expert".
He informed me, that only replacing the inserts
is not a full refresh for the shocks.
There are some kind of bearings
(sorry I cant explain in english)
a spring or rubber spring and
a grease fill in the shock housings
which should be replaced for sure.

That was new for me too, maybe someone else
here can verify this?

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man...your making all the right choices! I know how you feel with the worn out suspension. When I get on mine, the front end takes flight!

Have you been underneath to inspect the condition of your current suspension?
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I just got the Rebel Racing coilover kit for the rear, with some 250 lb "helper" springs and revalved Bilsteins appropriate for my setup. I have 31 mm rear torsion bars, but they just aren't enough for my car on the track. I have the coilovers installed, but I haven't set them up the way I want them yet. My understanding is that I need to lower the car (re-index the T-bars) somewhat and then bring it back to the desired ride height using the adjustable spring perch. The question is: how much? I'm thinking somewhere on the order of 3/4 to 1 inch. Too much and I risk coil binding; too little and I could lift off the springs under cornering. Despite the complexity of having two sets of springs in the rear, I liked that idea better than either risking chassis damage from full coilovers, or reinforcing (with a cage) which I'm just not ready to do yet.

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man...your making all the right choices! I know how you feel with the worn out suspension. When I get on mine, the front end takes flight!

Have you been underneath to inspect the condition of your current suspension?
When I climb under to have a look, it all appears to be in excellent shape. Zero rust, but covered in the typical road dirt/dust. I do have a bit of a shake/shimmy at over 65 MPH, which I find annoying. The car has just over 55,000 miles on it.

To keep all the info in one place, here are some other threads I've found...

Removing ball joints:
Ball joint disaster - Phase II. I
A-arm disassembly - ball joint removal.

Removing strut inserts:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/363816-easy-bilstein-strut-insert-removal-method.html#post3445607

Tie rod removal:
How long to install Turbo Tie Rods?

DIY alignment (I'm sure I'll take it to a shop):
For all you folks wanting to DIY Alignment
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Jeff, great project! Sorry to hear about your clutch woes. Haven't been able to make it up to Raleigh as to meet up with you or John as my ride has pretty much been in surgery since late May.

FYI , Reaper is planning to make a road trip to Albemarle in his 'Blackbird' 935 in November to visit the shop where his 944GTR replica is being built and maybe you and John would like to join me and him in a little road trip action to Charlotte to visit Zuffenhaus, then on the Hickory to visit my friend Matt Drendle, who in addition to having just about every racing turbo porsche ever made, just acquired the 'Bad Boyz' Turbo 3.6 and Lemans winning GT1 Then plan to make a run to 'The Dragon' before giving Reaper his send-off back to Texas. Should be one helluva road trip with some awesome photo ops, so get that clutch fixed!

Anyhow, regarding your project, have you already lowered your car? What parameters are you going by to dial things in? Do you do any tracking now? My car is lowered, but has sports all around and from what i can see, Weltmeister adjustable sways. The ride on my car is great, but just a little too soft for the track at the moment. Howcome your are not going with front coilovers and raised spindles?
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Sandman,

I was just talking with another pelicany (Carmad) today regarding the Elephant Racing poly-bronze bushings. This is what he is running and loves them!! He said the ride is not rough at all and he thinks the car seems even smoother.

My question to you is, how much is it for all of the parts in the pictures for the front? As I stated before I will be into this same project this winter and was curious. Lastly, what is your response to Falk930's comments regarding the sleeve of the shock also needing to be refreshed?

Thanks,
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FYI , Reaper is planning to make a road trip to Albemarle in his 'Blackbird' 935 in November to visit the shop where his 944GTR replica is being built and maybe you and John would like to join me and him in a little road trip action to Charlotte to visit Zuffenhaus, then on the Hickory to visit my friend Matt Drendle, who in addition to having just about every racing turbo porsche ever made, just acquired the 'Bad Boyz' Turbo 3.6 and Lemans winning GT1 Then plan to make a run to 'The Dragon' before giving Reaper his send-off back to Texas. Should be one helluva road trip with some awesome photo ops, so get that clutch fixed!
That sounds like one hell of a weekend! Count me in. My car should be finished way before November...Fingers still crossed of course...
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As of now, count me in...
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Anyhow, regarding your project, have you already lowered your car? What parameters are you going by to dial things in? Do you do any tracking now? My car is lowered, but has sports all around and from what i can see, Weltmeister adjustable sways. The ride on my car is great, but just a little too soft for the track at the moment. Howcome your are not going with front coilovers and raised spindles?
Right now the car is at its stock ride height for a US '87. I have no plans to track the car...it's daily transportation. One day perhaps, I'll do a basic DE day with it, but for now, I'm just a spectator.
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Sand_man, your car is should be as tight as a virgin with those bushings... I wish that I didn't pop my motor this season because I wanted to tackle the suspension like you are doing. I wasn't going to go insane, but I wanted to do the polybronze bushings all the way around and the Rebel racing coil over conversion on all four corners.
Then I would rule....
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Some eye candy for you, the ERP 935 front set up:

Has anyone here invested in something like this? Is it possible to get these cars really dialed in without going this hard core?
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Just a few years ago, Bilstein would rebuild and re-valve your shocks to whatever you wanted. It was very affordable as well. Less than $100 a shock at the time. I think you have to deal with the west coast headquarters as the director there told me most of the east coast stuff was for circle track guys...
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That 935 suspension is not eye candy that is Porn- Im sure that you could get the car to handle just fine without that extreme setup. I have never seen any of my friends' 930s with that setup and many of them are pulling very impressive numbers at lime rock.
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