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If that's an 87 factory slant...that's the first one I've ever seen that had the front oil cooler configured like that....I wonder what # that was in the production series. I do know that as they went along, they'd change some things to conform to US standards or mechanical issues....but to be an 87 slant with the serial numbers confirming that fact would make it an aberration....something to look into...something to query Porsche about....maybe that's one of a kind....or maybe it's something that was the last one that came out of the Special Wishes program just prior to the release of the 87 factory slant. That could be a rare one or else something that someone messed around with the serial numbers on. (perish the though huh?)

You've really got my curiosity up now....
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Hi Brian,
I got the codes from Bruce Anderson's, Porsche 911 Performance Handbook. Let me know how you do with the 220 option.
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Dave,
I have both revisions of that book, somehow I missed Appendix 1. Good Lord I'm losing it.
It will be a couple of weeks before the car is done, all the parts are not in yet and I'm working on it between other things.
What I plan to do is fit the go-fast goodies and see how she goes. Should make a very noticable difference. With <230HP to the wheels this car is really a dog right now. If time permits and the owner wants to take the next step we will look into the AFRs and get it closer to optimal.

Concerning these codes - where exactly do I find the complete option list? There are more options on this car than I found on the tag under the hood.
Chuck - I believe this car may have been an early '87 which would explain the odd combo. Porsche was never a stickler on deadlines and dates (CIS on a 1994 CT2 ?????)
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Thanks Werk-I for the great photos of an original Slantnose. My car has the same setup - front oil cooler lines and especially note the popup light canister and linkage are identical. This clearly makes my claim that this car probably was made under the Special Wishes Program. I also had original 930S Floor Mats - see photo.

Werk-I, I think your car was probably manufactured late '86 or very early '87 to have the front cooler like my '84.

Has anyone ever seen this type of wood dash in a 930???

An original Slant should bring at least 35K I would hope.



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A standard '87 930 in excellent condition should bring $35K. A slope nose is special and should bring much more. I know the economy is in the toilet but they should do better than a standard 930!
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Concerning these codes - where exactly do I find the complete option list?
Brian, there's other places, but you could try the Porsche Option Decoder:

http://www.kindel.com/porsche/options.asp
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The first sticker is affixed to the underside of the hood and the other is (usually) affixed to the inside cover of the warranty manual by the dealer.
This car has all the paperwork, I'll check that. Thanks!
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The 944 went to dual motors in each bucket.
Really? When?

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As a matter of fact, when the motors burn out in these things, they usually replace the 930 motor with one from a 944.
The motor in the pictures already looks identical to the '86 944 headlight motor to me. Right down to the rubber dust cover and the plate it bolts up to.
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Where were the special wishes cars built? The paperwork on this car states that the options were dealer installed. That might explain the oil cooler and A/C belly unit. Very interesting.
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Where were the special wishes cars built? The paperwork on this car states that the options were dealer installed. That might explain the oil cooler and A/C belly unit. Very interesting.
Brian,
The Special Wishes cars were initially built on the assembly line(if you want to call it that) then taken over to the Werk-I facility next door. Singer's group was responsible for the design and implementation of the Slant's special features. Once the Slantnose features became a formal option in MY '87, all the components could be ordered in a kit from Porsche, AJ-Racing did this very thing in the 80's......very, very expensive.

BTW, the front AC condenser you mention was added to all Carrera's in the mid-80's. There's also a blower in the front bonnet just above the condenser that forces air through the condenser. The car just kept getting fatter and fatter.

ML930s,
I agree with you that a fair to good 930 Slant Special Wishes car should bring mid-30's. But I think the excellent versions are approaching the $50K mark now. Like Brian said, the economy is going through an adjustment. So the impact on "collector cars" might be affected.

The motor for the headlamps is the same for the 944, but I think the reduction gearbox is different. I think the mechanism driving the arms goes in the opposite direction as the 944's.
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Apparantly that is what was done for this car. Good chunk of change for the dealer I'll bet!
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I think only factory slants demand a premium but like most things, they are worth what ever some one is prepared to pay.
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I went online to see if I could get my vin decoded to show that this '84
Slantnose is factory original. I went to Renntech.org and used their decoder which appears to be good. Punched in the Vin and low and behold, Vehicle Type came back with "930-911 turbo/S/SE flachbau 3.3 ltr 330bhp".

Maybe the doubters will now step up to the plate - I am thinking only 33K right
now.

Let me know,
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't every 930 have a zero as the 12th digit in the VIN?
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I went online to see if I could get my vin decoded to show that this '84
Slantnose is factory original. I went to Renntech.org and used their decoder which appears to be good. Punched in the Vin and low and behold, Vehicle Type came back with "930-911 turbo/S/SE flachbau 3.3 ltr 330bhp".

Maybe the doubters will now step up to the plate - I am thinking only 33K right
now.

Let me know,
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ML930S,
I really don't mean to rain on the parade, but the VIN decoder you illustrated merely shows that the car is a 930. The Vehicle Type Designation is "93" and the Engine/Body Type designator is a "0" . Hence, 930. If the engine/body type were a "5", the car would be a 935. Records on the Special Wishes cars are horrible at best at the Werk I facility. These cars were built by work orders, not option codes.

Really, I share your frustration in determining if your car is a true Special Wishes car. If the prospective buyers do their homework, they will be able determine if it is the real deal. From what I have seen, it appears to be the real deal. What would help in your sale is any kind of U.S. Customs Papers. The model name will show up on them. Good luck.
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Spuggy: You are correct....they do replace the burned out slant headlight motors with the 944 motor....In my historical paperwork on my car I see that mine burned out a number of years ago and was replaced by a 944 motor. They are the same motor....I bought another as a spare just in case.

Brian: You're right about Porsche's terrible record keeping prior to when they formally released the slant in 87....prior to that the orders went thru the Special Wishes program, and I truly believe that the paperwork was filed under train wreck....I've made inquiries to a number of sources about records for the Special Wishes Program...and it seems that it was based upon "special orders....or Special Wishes"....but the rocords of the builds doesn't seem to exist in a central repository. I would like to see a build sheet on one of the 85-86 factory slants because as far as I know they surely didn't include that info on the option code.....I believe it was only after they were chasing Ferrari's wedge shape front end and had to homologate X number of factory slantnose cars in order to compete that they put the M505/M506 in the option codes....and obviously that design didn't last more than a couple years.
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Unfortunately Dave is correct about the VIN. I can find nothing in the VIN number of the car I am working on that shows it to be a slope nose. Other than the quality of the parts and build, the only way I verified this car was through the original paperwork it had with it.

A garden variety 930 in good shape is worth $33K. Your car is worth more to a buyer looking for an original slant. You have to find that buyer.
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Original Slant 505 option cars have, for 2 years now gone for over $70K @ Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale ( look up the sale results on their site ). More recently one got over $80 at auction. The one Brian has is a dealer installed SN, using ordered parts for conversion, not a factory one. There are probably more of these than the factory cars as lots of Porsche dealers ( AND TUNERS) did this as when the owners finally got their new US 86 Turbo after waiting many years they then found a long waiting line for the newly introduced 1987 505 optioned cars so they had theirs converted to SN. Sometimes by companies that used both factory parts and other than factory parts. Even Craig Jackson, many years ago, offered a conversion Package and advertised on his converted cars license plate as "U want 1". Some conversions were other than the factory metal panels ( least desireable ). Many were converted due to body damage so be careful as it was sometimes cheaper to buy aftermarket parts for the repair. Also on the oil cooler location, the area where the regular 930 oil cooler resides, is taken over by the retractable headlights, horns and stuff. The Werkes 1 prior to 505 were in the front valance and the US 505 cars the cooler was relocated to the rear duct area. Ordering a Kardex from PCNA ( 770-290-3500 ) should determine what options a Porsche was built with.

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