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Wanted: Pics of 93 Brumos turbo car




Anybody have pictures of the rear of this Brumos car?

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How about a shot from Daytona 94? Note the aero differences.

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ABSOLUTELY one of my all time faves!!!! I've checked all of my picture libraries and, sadly, I don't have any other shots. If I stumble upon some, I'll be sure to post.

Not to get OT, but I really dig this particular wing/tail. I wonder if it would look too out of place on a typical street 930 (stock flares)?
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Turbo S LM-GT
In 1993, Porsche developed a highly tuned 964 Turbo S prototype for use in international motorsport. The car, known as the Turbo S Le Mans GT (or simply Turbo S LM-GT), was based on the standard road-legal Turbo S, but stripped down and modified for circuit use. A deep chin spoiler was added to the front, while two air inlets were added just above the rear wheel fenders. An adjustable racing rear wing was added on top of the standard Turbo's wing. Wider fenders were used to house 12-inch (300 mm) wide racing slicks. The interior was completely stripped, a rollcage added, and the windows replaced with plastic. The engine used was not the standard road-car unit, but a smaller twin-turbocharged 3.2 liter unit which produced 475 hp.[3]

The Turbo S LM-GT made its debut at the 1993 12 Hours of Sebring where the car finished seventh overall and first in its class with the Brumos Porsche racing team. From there, the car was entered in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, running under the guise of the Porsche factory team. The car would however fail to finish after the engine was damaged early in the race. For 1994, the Turbo S LM-GT would be moved to the hands of Larbre Compétition, where a new 3.6 liter engine based on the 993 unit would be used in place of the 3.2 liter engine. The team opened the year with a second place finish at the 24 Hours of Daytona, before moving on to select rounds of the BPR Global GT Series. The car would win all four races in which it competed, including the 1000 km Suzuka. The Turbo S LM-GT would make a few select appearances in 1995 with Obermaier Racing before being retired.

The development work from the Turbo S LM-GT helped Porsche in creating the 993-generation 911 GT2 in 1995, which would be mass produced and sold to racing customers. Some teams, unable to buy new 911 GT2s, developed their own twin-turbo racing versions of the 964 Turbo to mimic the Turbo S LM-GT, but lacked the success of the factory projec
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Thanks guys for the response. I am trying to see what the rear of the tail looks like. Trying to wonder how it would look on my ride?
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I like those openings in the leading edge of the rear wing,

I'm glad to see they removed those stupid@ss holes in the rear fenders in the second pic.
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Regarding the wing, most of what I have seen (from Better Bodies, MA Shaw, A.I.R., etc.) resembles the typical 3.8 RS wing...
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I like those openings in the leading edge of the rear wing,

I'm glad to see they removed those stupid@ss holes in the rear fenders in the second pic.
Don't say that to Wayne in front of his 959
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Don't say that to Wayne in front of his 959
LOL I surely won't. I love the 959. I believe those hole are actually functional on a 959 which makes them perfectly lovable and in lieu w/ Porsche design.

I have never liked them on the 965/993 cars. They just don't really doanything IMHO.

One of the guys I take care of once had a 97 993 turbo "s". He somehow becamed obsessed w/ the function of the rear holes. We jokingly argued about it for over a year. I finally pulled the rear fender liners while I had the rear wheels off on the lift w/ him standing there. It was quite obvious there was nowhere for the air to go due to all the heat shields in the rear.

He claims that is the reason he sold the car and still teases me about ruining his love affair w/ his turbo "S"

I had offered to try to make them functional. But I would have needed to cut holes in the heat shields to let the air down to cool the exhaust. Of course what happens when you stop w/ hot exhaust? I mentioned we could install "flaps" possibly operated by a 993 Carrera rear spoiler control unit tied to some actuators to make them "speed related" and mildly functional but admitted up front it was really a waste of time and he shouldn't worry about it.

The biggest reason it bothered him was his car was $180K, and aside from a little more power, another oil cooler, tons of carbon fiber interior, and a those holes, it wasn't much different from the $120K 993TT. He just didn't feel right about it for some reason.

I was hoping to spark a little debate over it in that case, mainly to see how others felt but meant no disrespect to the 959. Apparently I'm bored and need to get back to work.

Take care fellas

Sorry to Hijack the thread, keep those pictures coming!!
That is a interesting story
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I'm all about form following function. Perhaps on the race car, the factory found a use for the holes??? On a street car, if they served no purpose, yeah what's the point

EDIT: either way, the holes don't bother me. I find it interesting how they are so neatly integrated and formed...
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I know this is not the Brumos car but here is Hans Stuck in a 964 Turbo S GT (according to the Porsche official website where I got this)
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So what, who, when, where, how is the source for this tail? Custom?
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For the record, I love the uncluttered look (lack of graphics) of the 46 car that Flieger posted!
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Porsche only built one of these cars. I believe some teams did copy it in their own variation. To me it looks like a old school turbo tail but flatened out at the rear, 935 sides and a custom air inlet on both lower leadind edge of the tail base. I was wondering how they finished off the rear. I looks from the last photo the rear doesn't follow the 935 style rear but the 930/964 back side. Thanks for the input! Great pics!
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What do you guys think?
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I like... Do you have a GT2 wing on right now? I know the GT2 wing has merit but I don't ever think they look right on 930s. I think a kremer wing would look awesome on your car, more 935ish. BTW, I drool over your car all the time GJF, the attention to detail is spectacular.
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I like it too, GJF. And not to steal your thunder, but I think I'd like one as well. FWIW, I've been considering a tail like this for some time now...I just haven't been able to find the exact one that I want, for re-sale!
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From American International Racing (AIR)

911/ 965 3.8 RSR rear adjustable tail & Wing:


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MA Shaw 3.8 RSR:


Better Bodies 3.8 RSR:

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As you can see, from the above examples, they're close but no cigar. I'm not a fiberglass expert, but I do know anything can be made and/or customized if you throw enough money and talent at it. So the question becomes, do you make one from scratch or modify something that's close?
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On second thought the "uprights" are *almost* 935ish as seen on this car:

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