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Will you make small screamer pipes for the wastegates or don't they need them, looks like the have another vband on the outlet? $220 each is very reasonable.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:30 PM
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Will you make small screamer pipes for the wastegates or don't they need them, looks like the have another vband on the outlet? $220 each is very reasonable.

yes they really don't need them but I will depending on the package the customer buys
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Old 01-15-2009, 04:22 AM
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Nice looking setup Ben. Once I have the cash saved up I will definitely be adding one of your turbo setups to my carrera.
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Nice looking setup Ben. Once I have the cash saved up I will definitely be adding one of your turbo setups to my carrera.
Start by finding some 993 heat exchangers they range from $250-500 depending on where you get them then give me a call
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I'll be keeping my eyes open. I'm still on the fence as to whether I put a low-boost turbo setup on the car now or wait until I rebuild down the road and build a dedicated 3.4 twin plug turbo and shoot for some real HP. My wife and I are expecting our second child in August so major expenditures on the car will probably be on hold for a little while...
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:52 AM
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Man, this really represents a great solution for performance Turbo exhausts - OEM toughness combined with ingenuity.

Hats off! This cynical dude is impressed. ;-)
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I'll be keeping my eyes open. I'm still on the fence as to whether I put a low-boost turbo setup on the car now or wait until I rebuild down the road and build a dedicated 3.4 twin plug turbo and shoot for some real HP. My wife and I are expecting our second child in August so major expenditures on the car will probably be on hold for a little while...

congrats.

as to hp anytime you bolt on a turbo setup properly tuned you are looking at 80-100hp gains easily with some mods way past that. trust me you won't want to go back to NA after that.

Craig Thanks for the kind words I tried hard on this project to meet everybodies goals. I even made a slight mod for k27 965 cars so they can retain their stock bracket.
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Nice work!

An idea: instead of using twin wastegates (which might be a bit overkill on single-turbo setup), why not tap the pipe just prior to entering the turbo (at Y-intersection) and then draw it trough the single wastegate and dump it into exhaust pipe couple of inches after the turbo.

Reasons: Simpler/cheaper, only one wastegate. Will also weight less. It will require custom made downpipe from turbo but it would be really compact.
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Nice work!

An idea: instead of using twin wastegates (which might be a bit overkill on single-turbo setup), why not tap the pipe just prior to entering the turbo (at Y-intersection) and then draw it trough the single wastegate and dump it into exhaust pipe couple of inches after the turbo.

Reasons: Simpler/cheaper, only one wastegate. Will also weight less. It will require custom made downpipe from turbo but it would be really compact.
interesting and doable but that may be later on first I have to get this setup dyno'd
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Can you show a few more pictures of the final mock-up, as the one was cut off that shows the wastegates added to the system.
Damn you're welding and pipe fabbing looks great.
I like the way you are actually fixturing this to a bracketed turbo as well.
I had lots of trouble with the GSF headers I got 2 years ago that placed the turbo about 1/4 to 1/2 inch out of original location. Made it impossible to bracket the turbo with the OEM support bracket and caused nightmares with intercooler plumbing.

Keep us posted with progress.
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Can you show a few more pictures of the final mock-up, as the one was cut off that shows the wastegates added to the system.
Damn you're welding and pipe fabbing looks great.
I like the way you are actually fixturing this to a bracketed turbo as well.
I had lots of trouble with the GSF headers I got 2 years ago that placed the turbo about 1/4 to 1/2 inch out of original location. Made it impossible to bracket the turbo with the OEM support bracket and caused nightmares with intercooler plumbing.

Keep us posted with progress.
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I will friday. all out of pictures at the moment. but yeah the idea is to ba able to use stock brackets if possible
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ok we are now done with the project and prices fall here for anyone interested

993 y with wastegates and bar springs are $1250 Heat exchangers with flipped flanges are $650. the kit for heat needs to be completed but I expect that to be in the 200ish range so how does that compare to B&B etc? You have to remeber this include wastegates so still very competive when you think that tial 46mm wastegates are$500 atop of the B&B or the others prices.

First shipments are going wednesday(tial was behind on my order of wastegates)
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:11 AM
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Here is the last picture Fred had asked for. I am shortening the prouction units to where the red line is to make it more compact
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oh and if anyone else wants in on a good deal I can HE pretty cheap but I would need 3 people to step up and say they wanted them. they would be $450 with flanges flipped vs the $650 I quoted
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oh and if anyone else wants in on a good deal I can HE pretty cheap but I would need 3 people to step up and say they wanted them. they would be $450 with flanges flipped vs the $650 I quoted
What does that mean?
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What does that mean?
I found a source for 993 heat exchanger for 300 a set but I need to buy quantities to get that price. I then flip the flanges for $150 so a total of $450 for a set of heat exchangers. Otherwise they run $500 a set without flange flipping to work on our cars
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I found a source for 993 heat exchanger for 300 a set but I need to buy quantities to get that price. I then flip the flanges for $150 so a total of $450 for a set of heat exchangers. Otherwise they run $500 a set without flange flipping to work on our cars
Gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up!
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Ben , will this set up fit on a 92 ,965? thanks
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Ben , will this set up fit on a 92 ,965? thanks

Yes I have 2 of these built for 965's right now
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Ben,
As if you didn't have enough to worry about right now, I'd like to plant a seed. How about locating the turbo in the middle so the pipes from the HE to the turbo are equal length? I know it would require a different bracket, but for track days it could be a bolt on and the output of the turbo could simply be a zork pipe. I have a vision of the 935 setup, with a more normal sized turbo.

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