Anyone know anything about this DP 935? - Page 2

sand_man · 12-08-2008, 02:52 PM

As far as the radical bodied turbos go, the DPs have always been amongst my favorites.

krasuskyp · 12-09-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by voitureltd

The Kremer Brothers company built almost all Porsche Kremer race cars with that K2 body and just a few ( I only know of 2) Porsche Kremer street 2 cars ( very rare, if you or anyone else knows of another Porsche Kremer street K2 I would like to know of it as I have a number of folks that would like one).

No idea on authenticity, but about 8yrs. ago I was walking to my jeweler in downtown Hartford and there was a white Kremer K2 (I think) parked out front. Chap was inside store, chatted with him a bit. Lived in Glastonbury, CT at the time. Pea green interior if I recall correctly. Car looked wildly insane.

Could have just been a body kit, who knows. Did have some sort of Kremer plaque on the dash again IIRC.

If that helps you?

onboost · 12-10-2008, 10:07 AM

I have a buddy nearby that has a factory Kremer car I belive.. not sure if it's a K2 or not.
For reference, it was featured on the cover of Pano back in the mid 90's..
I haven't seen it/him in a bit but I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.. just for kicks.
I'm sure it'll be seen in 09 as he is in the process of a full glass out repaint.

DDDD · 12-10-2008, 12:32 PM

The Ebay car sure is pretty.

IF you had deep pockets you could restore this car with EFI, as long as the frame in the front is not damaged from the rumoured crash.

The problem is that the guy wants to make huge profit on a car with a history which is very suspect...

He had it listed for 75 grand at that DP site mentioned above!

voitureltd · 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by onboost

I have a buddy nearby that has a factory Kremer car I belive.. not sure if it's a K2 or not.
For reference, it was featured on the cover of Pano back in the mid 90's..
I haven't seen it/him in a bit but I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.. just for kicks.
I'm sure it'll be seen in 09 as he is in the process of a full glass out repaint.

Krasuskup / onboost. Did it look like this. It would be nice to see another K2 Kremer. DP was making complete cars,some to customer spec to sell retail so how many Kremer got under those curcumtances or what their business arrangements were? I know Kremer advertised and built some street K5 ( no advertising for the K2 ) . The K5 did not use the more attractive DP K2 bodies. Why may be that DP was busy building their own business . The Kremer 935 street K2 used the Kevlar from bumper to bumper race car style bodywork. Maybe I should start a nich site like the Dp Registry if more than just a few real Kremer 935 street 2 are out there. kremer GMBH is not forthcoming on any information so far other than to verify a car as one they built if you can provide proof of current ownership.

onboost · 12-10-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by voitureltd

Did it look like this.

voitureltd: You know, I honestly don't remember! I don't know if I'm getting old, or I've just seen so much of this stuff it all runs together, or if it's just that I haven't seen the car in such a long time I've forgotten. Jeeez, I hope it's just the latter!

I do remember the hood, fenders and rockers being the same.. as w/most true Kremers. I just don't recall which air dam or rear bumper fitment he has.

When I get home tonight I'll try to locate a pic or two to post..

voitureltd · 10:24 AM

Gumba, I hope I'm not being picky but.....The reason they are K2 is that means Kremer2. kremer had a lot to do with the K2 race car design and DP was hired to build the new panels for Kremers race cars. The car is generally attributed to DP, in error, over the recent years as they were the most recognizable. However the originals were Porsche Kremer 935s. DP Motorsports commercialized it with the later "mass production" versions compared to the few ( the original cars of this design) all be it, mostly competition " Porsche Kremer" 935s. .

gumba · 12-10-2008, 05:57 PM

No problem. I exchanged some email with DP and asked them the difference between the DP and Kremer cars was. As I've seen what appears to be the same bodied cars, some with DP script and some with Kremer script (same with the intercoolers). DP's response was Kremer bought the bodywork from them (DP), and built the cars with their (Kremer) running gear, suspension, wheels & tires, etc.

kycarguy 935 · 12-10-2008, 06:59 PM

My DP935 came with a Kremer engine new in 1979. It is a Euro model and I have owned it since 1991. It has the Kremer longneck intercooler. I am restoring it right now. I spoke with DP in the 90's and they verified with the vin they built the car there in 1979.

I have been looking for information on these cars for years. I bought some vintage magazines from Germany with DP935 and Kremer cars in them and need to read through them.

This is a good thread.

voitureltd · 12-11-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kycarguy 935

My DP935 came with a Kremer engine new in 1979. It is a Euro model and I have owned it since 1991. It has the Kremer longneck intercooler. I am restoring it right now. I spoke with DP in the 90's and they verified with the vin they built the car there in 1979.

I have been looking for information on these cars for years. I bought some vintage magazines from Germany with DP935 and Kremer cars in them and need to read through them.

This is a good thread.

Any photos of your car to post??? Also I would really be interested in copies/ info of the articles from the Vintage magazines or how to purchase them if still in print or available used. I have some reference articles also on Kremer cars.

gumba · 12-11-2008, 07:36 AM

I'm always looking for article to put on my site.

onboost · 12-11-2008, 07:41 AM

voitureltd:

Looked at the pictures last night and it's not a K2. His car is using the standard front bumper with DP/Kremer air damn that has oil cooler opening & Carrera fogs. In the rear it has stock style euro bumper but the 1/4 panel appears to be inclusive of the lower 1/4 thus the accordian connects directly to this. Think his car is an 86.

Trying to load photos which I had to scan.. they ended up as a PDF and are huge. I will post if I can get them adjusted.

krasuskyp · 12-11-2008, 10:26 AM

The one I saw was not a K2, didn't have that nose. I vividly remember three exhaust tips on each side tho, kind of goofy but period-cool I guess. RSR looking in rear width.

Funny Tony, I asked a (non P) friend if he still had the pic I'd shot over to him at the time. He replied "no, but check out this website for some pics".

"This website", you ask?

YOURS!

Go figure, you're famous 8-).

gumba · 12-11-2008, 12:17 PM

I say the cars are famous, and the success of the site is due to the number of people who've sent photos , articles, misc. info, and documentations on the cars. Thanks to my techno wife, we just put all the info in one spot.

I thought I covered pretty much every front & rear spoiler combination that DP & Kremer offered on the photo gallery page. Are there more out there?

voitureltd · 06:46 AM

Those look real familar. I was at a "Spectrum auction" in Northridge CA in 1986. A dealer had a few DP Motorsport cars there to introduce the new availability of the DP style Porsche to the CA market then ( 1986) . That was my first introduction to this K2 style. The sales line was one was built as a 300HP for cruising the other one, lots more HP and could be ordered just about anyway you wanted it. The before mentioned 1984 by Kremer designed by and built for Mario Andretti with this style superseded these by 2 years. Others with the K2 racing Kevlar bodywork may have been built by Kremer or DP Motorsports for street use so that is one thing I would like to find out. The DPs I saw being marketed were 1986 models and being PRd as the "new deal". Anyone with any additional info of a 935 street K2 that was built before OCt 1984 would be greatly appreciated. Also just a note Monterey Historic races will feature Porsche high performance cars as the featured marque in the 2009 extravaganza so if you have one ... Also the 4 main auctions will be trying to get good examples for their events to encourage the owners to trade their car for cash.

onboost · 12-12-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by voitureltd

Those look real familiar. A dealer had a few DP Motorsport cars there to introduce the new availability of the DP style Porsche to the CA market then ( 1986) .

Monterey Historic races will feature Porsche high performance cars as the featured marque in the 2009 extravaganza so if you have one ...

I think I still have some literature from that was sent to me by that company back in the 80's. (this thread is causing a mess at home as I keep trying to dig up stuff that I've squirreled away) Again, as I locate I will attempt to share..

The Monterey Historics will represent Porsche's 60th Anniversary. I attended their 50th back in 99 where they were the featured marque at both the Pebble Beach Concours & The Monterey Historics. Let me tell you.. it's pure adrenaline!! If they made it, it was there... it was that event that spurred the Rennsport Reunion events. It is total Porsche overload.. buy yourself an I-V kit because there is so much to see you wont want to stop to eat!!

WERK I · WERK I's Garage

You guys are great!! Thanks for all your replies. Now if the seller would like to do a trade.......

KremerFan · 12-31-2008, 02:07 PM

Greetings,

First, I need to give a shout out to my bud ONBOOST, the most certifiable Porsche/car nut I know. HOW U DOIN?
I wanted to jump in on the whole Kremer/ DP Motorsports thing with some info on he cars I have that may help.
My first Kremer is a K2 Street version that started out as an Euro 85 Full Leather coupe. It was originally owned by a guy in Conn. named Rocco Bellatoni. He imported it in 1985, somehow got it registered and drove it for 2,000 miles before having it converted to K2 specs by Porsche Werks Danbury. The engine was sent to Andial along with an RSR distributor, Kremer Porsche intercooler, turbo etc and built up there. Along with the mechanicals, the body panels, wheels, tires, and interior bits of the K2 kit were purchased from Kremer Racing USA, then in Atlanta GA. I was able to track this Rocco (Rocky) down and he informed me that by the time the car was done and in his driveway, he had 185,000 invested, and he used it to torment all the local Ferrari/Lambroghini guys up there with it on a regular basis. He is a real character to be sure.
My car is just back from a full restoration brought on by a combination of a poor setup on the car, and a certain divers inability to reign in the beast after a loss of adhesion between the rear tires and the pavement. (guess who)

Anyway, after an adventure I will both never forget or recommend, The car is better than it ever was when I first purchased it, in every way. I have to stop and thank Euro Pros of Gaithersburg MD for the restoration work. They did a tremendous job of repairing alot of cracked fiberglass that was damaged in the incident, and alot of shoddy previous work as well. The car did not hit anything substantial; the damage occured when I went both feet in between 2 phone poles after I knew I couldn't get back control of the car. What I thought was going to be a hose off/seat cleaning ended badly after skipping over a grass camoflaged drainage ditch at about 5o mph

A complete glass out re-paint was done, all rubber replaced, complete interior refresh, and alot more incidentals were taken care of. Even though the restoration took a long time, it was done with great care, and in the spirit of making the car better than it was. Many thanks to Jack& Derrick Ford, and their crew.
After the body was looking better, the suspension was addressed, RSR struts installed, along with a new fuel pump (accessable when the steering rack was out) and complete new front suspension. This work was completed at Turbo Performance Center in Jessup MD. The owner, Michael Levitas is a great guy and a great friend. He addressed the alignment, ride height, and setup of the car. He informed me of how improper the previous setup was. It seems these cars are a challenge to get right, especially after other people have been "improving" them.

I can say that after the 2.5 year process, the car drives better than it ever has, and looks great.
The car was built up using the same parts as the car featured in both Panorama (July 1987) and Sports Car Illustrated (Sept 87) PLEASE NOTE: I am looking for a complete copy of that issue of S.C.I. if anyone has one laying arround...Anyway, the car featured was a K2 and did use DOT bumpers front and rear along with the Kremer kit. I have the reciepts from my cars' build out and all I can say is ouch... Check to Kremer Racing for 24,478.11, checks to Porsche Werks for over 67,000.00 You have to give guys like that credit for building a car like that when you could get a Lambo for alot less. The performance was probably part of the draw. I had my car dynoed back in 2004 with the following results: HP at the wheels 354.5 torque 390.5. Same day testing of a Z06 showed substantially lower numbers... and a substantially less happy owner!
There are alot of advertised claims of fantastic horsepower numbers; maybe some perspective... My car weighs 2,990 fully fueled... just after the dyno event, I had the following results with a full tank of ultra94 at a well known drag racing spot with the Gtech: Combined passenger weight 375+ pounds (mostly me hehe) 0-60 time 4.56 (the car was gently launched) and a quarter mile time of 12.2 secs at 122 mph! You can make your own conclusions but I was in it, with my wife beating on my right shoulder to slow down (she had no idea we were going to end up doing 125 mph) (my bad)

It was a hell of a ride! With just me in the car, and say 4 gals of fuel...a proper tune up (my car runs rich enough to emit flames when you jump off the throttle under boost), and a decent launch, it is probably a low 11 sec car. Anyway, enough of this digression... back to the cars appearance!
I think you will find that most Kremer cars used the ventilated trunk lid that allows air to flow up through it from below. Alot of the cheaper conversions used a stock 930 hood that comes down and meets the bumper in a sort of non exciting fashion. Kremer utilized this ventilation to help with lift, and also to get flow through the oil cooler. An oil cooler that has no openings behind it will not flow well or cool much oil. Some had the pop-up headlights, and some had the 935 style low headlights, although the USA cars have to have the high headlights to get DOT approval. My rear wing utilizes a standard Turbo tail rubber lip (3.3 liter cars) and has air scoops built cleverly into the sides of the tail. The kit shows a connecting point about halfway down the side rocker where the front fender assby and the rear are attached. on a lift, I can see the word Kremer in the inside of the tail dyed into the fiberglass itself. The tail also kleverly uses a european fog light to meet the USA third brake light requirement. My car has the half cage that is leather wrapped, and the adjustable boost knob between the seats. There is also an adjustable fuel enrichment switch that has three positions on it, meant to be turned up with the boost level.
IMHO I think the cars that utilize the factory bumpers (especially in the front) look the best. Those side marker/turn signal lenses mounted on the Andretti car look kinda cheesey. The rear bumper on that car looks a bit Kit-car like as well. It is an earlier version (84) and was pretty exclusive though.
I am attaching a couple pics from the 50th Parade Concours de Elegance in Hershey PA.
My second car is a standard body euro 930(85) that Kremer massaged in Europe. It has the same size intercooler (non embossed) in jet coating as my K2. It has the K1 treatment with single plug heads, and a bit less power. It runs great and drives very well. I love the single outlet Euro muffler. The first time I heard this car run, I tild myself I had to have it someday. Ride height is very low, and 315's fit under the rear fenders!!!
A complete article was done on it in the online magazine of Kevin Simms called Autobahn Ambition. Sign up is free, and once you get in, the magazine with my car is in the archives. Kevin is doing a great job with this magazine, and he deserves/needs the support of the Porsche community. Please check it out!http://www.autobahnambitionmag.com/current/download.html

Thanks to everyone that has posted here and everyone who enjoys Porsche and the tuners who make them unique. it is noce to see that I am not alone in my obsession of all things Porsche!
Cheers

Mike Smalley

85 KremerK2 blk/blk
85 Kremer 930K! red/blk
88 930S cabriolet re/blk
96 993 C2 Supercharged by TPC Iris blue/Light Grey
87 951 Red/--- track only!

KremerFan · 12-31-2008, 02:11 PM

opps sent 2 of the same pics...

duuuh here is a front pic
cheers
Mike

onboost · 12-31-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by onboost

I have a buddy nearby that has a factory Kremer car I belive.. not sure if it's a K2 or not.
For reference, it was featured on the cover of Pano back in the mid 90's..
I haven't seen it/him in a bit but I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.. just for kicks.
I'm sure it'll be seen in 09 as he is in the process of a full glass out repaint.

Hey Mike...

It's about time you and the "black beauty" showed up! It was good talking with you the other day and welcome to the board!!

Paul