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Ferry Porsche wanted a 930 RS!!! Denied.

This surprised me 34 years after the fact!

We can thank Porsche marketing for the Cayenne, the neutered Cayman, the PDK tranny which shifts in the wrong direction, ect. But the disbelief I felt when reading this article is something else.

http://wikicars.org/en/Porsche_930

Ferry Porsche never intended the 930 to be loaded with all the plush luxury stuff in the first place.

Aside from the obvious reasons that a 930 RS from the factory, with RS door panels and the works, would be a dream come true, there are the hidden implications. Here I am killing the resell value of my car simply by removing heavy stuff that had no need to be there in the first place. Rear seats that don't fit a human? Massive door pockets which hit your elbow every time, ect.

And how many times have owners of pristine 930s mentioned that all that heavy stuff was there 'because Porsche intended it to be that way'? Well I would love to see a pristine 930 RS, that is a car I wouldn't change a thing on.


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Doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately, what is good for a start up company is not always good for it's longevity, which is why Porsche is what it is today. Most people are not like all of us here... they want comfort and status, with performance in between somewhere.

Sr and Jr Drs Porsche's lives were a continual struggle between what they wanted as engineers and racing nuts and what would allow the company to remain financially viable.

The great thing about the 930 tho, is that it is not hard to turn it into your own personal 'RS'. If you started with a stock model, and lightened it, it still would be fairly easy to put the stuff back on when you decided to sell.
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The great thing about the 930 tho, is that it is not hard to turn it into your own personal 'RS'. If you started with a stock model, and lightened it, it still would be fairly easy to put the stuff back on when you decided to sell.[/QUOTE].................. My sentiments exactly. Some new 930 aficionados cringe at one that is returned similar to it's original purpose. To bad, as they are exhilarating to drive as a "super car" as well as the air conditioned version.
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I believe they would have sold more 930s if they had offered the RS as a lower priced base model, and all the fake rear seats and heavy door panels and stuff would be optional. So I don't even see a conflict in having it both ways.

Just consider that there is 200 lbs to be gained just from stripping the interior and using the lightest possible doors. So our legendary 0-60 mph in 4.7/4.9 seconds back in the day would have been more like 4.5/4.6 seconds. That might be splitting hairs to some but to me I have a lot of pride and bragging rights invested in the 930, it is my choice of all cars.
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Hey Turboo934. when are u going to give us a peek of what's under the hood of that 'skunk works' 934 of yours, esp those fender mounted intercoolers. U under some sort of non-disclosure agreement from RUF or something?
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[QUOTE=DDDD;4408925]This surprised me 34 years after the fact!




http://wikicars.org/en/Porsche_930

Ferry Porsche never intended the 930 to be loaded with all the plush luxury stuff in the first place.




....I think that the bean counters had a good point in mass production, however the way the originators wanted it is more valid to Porsche racing heritage. In reverse, look at the 1962-3 Ferrari GTO, 30 odd built and somewhere north of $12 million today, was based on a 250 chassis somewhere south of $200K. I believe, had it been offered as a limited RS version as the good Dr's wanted, WHO KNOWS what the rarity and value would be today. What is still relevant, is we can still reconfigure a 930 to its roots and once the folks get to know the history they may view them differently. I'll still take mine "light" with more HP please.

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OMG Sandman,

Am we allowed to say that here?

Joe-must-be-all original.

I can't wait to break that expression out at an inappropriate moment. lol.
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Ferry Porsche never intended the 930 to be loaded with all the plush luxury stuff in the first place.
There's good data on 'that' in the 3 volume Excellence Was Expected set I've got.

ShortshortVersion... the car was a hard sale to Sr. mgmt as it was and it would have been a major nogo having such an expensively priced car (with major aim @ the US market) to be pitched decontented. "An expensive car HAS to have all the googads" syndrome.

Sad, unfortunate, easily remediable by 'us' 8-).
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I believe they would have sold more 930s if they had offered the RS as a lower priced base model....
Could Porsche have sold a cheap 930 if there was an RS? Not using their long established business model. That hasn't ever been the Porsche way. The RS cars with less equipment cost MORE.
The European customers had the option of ordering their 930's "stripped" (does anyone remember GeorgeK's beautiful Kiln Red 930 with no A/C or sunroof?) but the factory automatically loaded every 930 exported to the U.S. with every option.
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the factory automatically loaded every 930 exported to the U.S. with every option.
Gee, Is it any wonder that the number of crashes per owner was higher in the US than in europe? Could all that garbage about the 930 being an 'unsafe car', lawsuit, etc. have been because Porsche, in 'going for the gold' sold too much performance to an american clientel (the only ones that could afford it at the time) that didn't really have a clue about how to drive such a car? Same kinda thing that led to all the early Carrera GT crashes?
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Could all that garbage about the 930 being an 'unsafe car', lawsuit, etc. have been because Porsche, in 'going for the gold' sold too much performance to an American clientele
IMO, the lawsuits were a result of our litigious society.
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IMO, the lawsuits were a result of our litigious society.
I agree- this country bears people that are "never wrong" and never take responsibility for anything, even crappy driving...

Unfortunately there is the element of lawsuits- this is the same reason that many of the new Porsche turbos are sooo heavy (aside from the psm, nav, sportschrono, and the rest of the happy $hit)- they need to be like tanks so the average moron could by one and crash it and walk away.
Personally if I wreck my car that bad I don't want to walk away from it.
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The old 930 lawsuit makes me sick.

On the 930 RS, I wonder if you could've got one special-ordered through the Porsche "Special Wishes" department. They used to do some funky one-off stuff back then.
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The old 930 lawsuit makes me sick.
Does anyone have any documentation about this? I here mention of it all the time but I have never seen and case details.
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Does anyone have any documentation about this? I here mention of it all the time but I have never seen and case details.
Here was one filed in '92. See point number 19. I'm not an attorney.
http://www.mcclellanlaw.com/CM/NotableCases/TRENT.pdf
I'm pretty sure there were others...

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