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Factory 930 slantnose?

I was hoping that some of the slantnose experts on here would take a look at this car. It is up for sale in Europe as an "factory US model 930 slantnose". There is a couple of things that springs in my eye. But look for yourself.. And let me know what you think. The car has now been imported to Europe. Besides from a couple of strange exterior things, the car now has a 3,2 carrera engine. Who would do that to a 930?
Seller also states that the chassis is 1973 and the rest of the car is 1989 930 slantnose. Maybe someone on here even know the car and its history.




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Just based on what you've stated, the car is not a factory 930 slantnose nor is it an 89 930!!

It sounds/looks like someone has done an extensive upgrade and added many later parts to a 73 chassis. It may be hard to tell what the car really is as apparently the owner does not know, or is not being truthful about the car.

Unless this car is really cheap.. I would look elsewhere!
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Not much of the story fits with itself or the pictures of the car. However, let's just presume it is not a "factory" M505 car....
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While it looks nice, it's a hodge podge of parts and cars. Unless the car and price is GREAT, I'd pass.
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prob stole it switched the vin and sent it over seas
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A friend of mine is currently searching for a 930. He actually contacted the seller and had a look at the car.








Those vents in the fromt fenders doesn't look original do they?

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As seen in one of the photos it has a PCA sticker in the window. So it might be a previous PCA member car.
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I think I'll go out on a limb here and reiterate my belief that this isn't a factory slantnose. Although the attention to detail is....shall I say interesting...
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What tells you this isnt a factory slantnose?
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Let's see I only have a minute but let me list the obvious things based on your recent pictures. Also I am trying to correlate this to the whole "'73 chassis but the rest is all '89" remark. Therefore I'm looking for consistency with '87 to '89 M505 options and fabrication techniques.

Fender slats Not Factory. Actually the corrugation looks kind of like cardboard. Fenders look like glass not steel.

Headlights Not Factory. Square lights not round.

Side vents and strakes Not Factory. An obvious sign, no installation buttons for vent insert...

Torsion bar opening in fender looks like the smaller opening and implies earlier build than the '87 to '89 M505 cars. Could just be the picture angle though.

Front spoiler, not factory. Sure this could be an aftermarket item but I have no way of telling that it was or wasn't there originally.

Fender to door gap, assuming the door is completely closed, looks significantly outside of the factory quality standard. Means nothing in terms of originality but implies bodywork to me.

Can you find out if the fenders are steel or glass? If glass not factory...

One thing that normally is not on conversions of the era is that the boxed rockers do appear to have the jack point extension. Can you find out if the extension is actually welded in place behind the rocker?

That's it for now, I'm sure others will be able to add to the list...
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All of the above especially the square head lights, the unusual cut not stamped, front vents / rear air intake, wrong steering wheel, no rear oil cooler ( see photos of a 1988 factory 930S and the build detail ). The rocker panels should have welded supports, not bolted on the 87& up. If it really is a real late 80s SN it was rebuilt ( accident ? theft recovery?) with the wrong parts. Why not get the VIN from the unibody. It is a very scary car to pay more than the parts resale value ( minus the time it would take to remove , package and sell them)..A part of my business is appraisals for lenders etc. You just got a free one. Just my opinion.


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Glad to see that my eyes did not deceive me on the torsion bar cover
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Definitely doesn't appear to be a factory M505 or M506 car. As previously mentioned by kilodawg, the vents in the hood are not factory...there was no screen mesh under the vents, headlights are square and are probably run by 944 motors in each bucket rather than a single rod actuating both sides. Open the hood and look for a single bar that goes to each side of the headlights driven by a motor in the center if it's factory. Interior looks ok except for the steering wheel. Front fender is wrong...and appears to have been fractured or cracked. Body work is not up to factory specs. Looks like it has a 4 speed tranny which would make it an early 87 or 88 if the shift pattern on the knob is right. 89 went to a five speed G50. This car looks like a compilaton of parts...in addition to the fact it's not a 3.3L engine. The first pictures look a lot better than the later ones...more damage to the car in the last pics. I don't understand how this fellow can claim this is a factory car. The VIN will be a dead giveaway.

Just too many things that don't add up.
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Just out of curiosity, where are you guys seeing pictures of the inside of the car in question? My screen isn't showing any.....

The closer you look at the front fenders the easier it is to see how the hole for the slats was cut into the fiberglass...
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Kilo: Got the pics mixed up...the interior was another car shown in this thread...sorry for the confusion. My bad.
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Glad to see that my eyes did not deceive me on the torsion bar cover
Yea, just about everything on that car is wrong. Best to return the real parts to their origins and melt the rest, or drive it like a rental car, if you have the time to waste. The thread starter seemd to have a interest in a genuine 505 ??? If so there are some real ones out there with no stories. Now is a good time to get one in these uncertain times.

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I'd pay 12k if the pre-purchase turns out ok.
Other than that, it is one weird bastard car. IMO.

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