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Very nice solid looking car, especially white color suits well.
I wonder what is Strosek in your car? Vittorio Strosek (www.strosek.de) never made small optical lenses to 930 flares, side skirts are some other modification than Strosek, you can see difference in his pages, as well as rear bumper doesn't match with any of his designs.
I don't mind home fabrication, we are fabricating parts to our cars as well, especially for racing purposes, but to call your car Strosek when the body parts are not made by them (there should be their stamp and serial numbers in them if original Strosek parts).
When you are asking price of your car, if it would be made with original Strosek parts, price for the full bodywork is about 15000 euros for a complete set, it probably would rise the price of your car. If it is a sort of a copy of fake, then the value of your car is what somebody is ready to pay about it.
In European market (www.mobile.de) etc market places you can see original Strosek bodied cars being 15-20% higher valued than their factory original equals.

Why I know: I have 2 original Strosek bodied cars... even my green has all original parts even if it does have now racing front bumper and side skirts fabricated by us.

I hope that you don't name your car according the designer who didn't fabricate your parts (which you can see easily already in photos). I don't want to be rude, but there must be some respect for the origins of the design .

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real Stroseks to 964 or 930 body:



my green Strosek with racing side skirts and front bumper (original side skirts are beneath and bumper in my storage):




my green as it was before racing part changes:



However, Strosek did have earlier also 930/964 bodywork for sale with 993 headlights (grey one in the middle):


and it is the same model I have as grey:

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I am usually not a big fan of body kits, but that looks AWESOME!!! I'd give you $18k right now
I love white and that machine looks great. But please, fix that shift boot
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Yeah.. I've got one of the Strosek bodied cars too, normally aspirated though. It's the next project in the que. Should be an interesting mix.. set-up for track duty but still streetable?

Petri, green car was a killer even befor it became full race!!
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DSPTurtle: Yes, I agree that as white and with such body parts the white car of this thread looks great. But my point was you can't name it "Strosek". Same subject does matter with RUF cars: you don't make them "RUF" by changing bumpers and wheels, but merely by changing the engine. You might call it "Strosek styled" or something like that. It is the most typical sales argument especially in USA with fake Stroseks on sale (if you want I can point you very quickly more than 5 fakes immediately only using Google picture search).
www.xtrememotorcars.com For instance here is for sale both real Strosek bodied cars and fakes... quite nice fakes, but fakes anyway. As you can read, they sell for you as well the fake body sets. And their pricing is one tenth as they advertise, so it is obvious the aftermarket value is one tenth etc... The quality and perfect fitting of original Strosek parts is absolutely excellent: it took me 3 years to fabricate racing parts even near that quality. Fakes... that's another story. I wonder who would like to drive kit car fake Ferrari? That would be way more humiliating than drive original small FIAT. I think that the value of originality counts remarkably with the value of the cars.

But I think 18k usd might be something one could pay, but it would be an insult of pricing of any serious Strosek modded car, because it is already the price of the original body parts for complete Strosek body . Last spring I got an offer of Green 160k euros from Switzerland and I didn't even think about to sell: the car to cover the performance of my Green would be much more expensive (Should be something like Carrera GT, F430 CS, Koenigsegg or so). Of course the value of my Green doesn't come from the Strosek status, but that appearance is part of it: the pure driving performance of the green is already beyond something 930 cars don't do without very heavy alteration. There is not too many old Porsches wich ar capable of really seriously challenging new factory GT3 Cup cars, GT3 RS and RSR cars... at least not in Europe. Many car owners tell their story of the performance of their cars etc. I rather concentrate to concretion: to prove and use it And I haven't seen too many hanging around neither in European or in Scandinavian circuits...

My grey 3,6L RS engined Strosek is more normal and would probably go if somebody offers around 45-50k euros... and that car still has torsion bar suspension and many other flaws, which will be updated in next winter...

Onboost: Thanks for your comment, I also like green with the original Strosek look. Some day it will be back in that form, but right now I use Green Afterburner more to the racing purposes. The reason for my racing modifications was purely functional: in speeds over 270km/h car was unable to drive safely already in straight autobahn. Now I can push 343km/h GPS speed safely and under control... to say: my oldtimer is now good enough to kill new 997 GT3 RS etc. brand new high performance cars in time attacks in track circumstances as well as in terms of performance, partly because of improved downforce stability with aero parts.

For instance old Nürburgring Nordschleife (20,8km) full lap goes now a great way under 8 minutes with street legal tyres (Toyo Proxes R888) and only old Porsche cars capable of such speeds are 935-racing versions or equal to them, and I'm in the reach of challenging street tyre lap records in most of the racing circuits in Finland. I think those reasons are good enough for sacrificing temporarily the smooth Strosek outlook.
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...Last spring I got an offer of Green 160k euros from Switzerland and I didn't even think about to sell: the car to cover the performance of my Green would be much more expensive (Should be something like Carrera GT, F430 CS, Koenigsegg or so)...
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WOW, you're mentioning big words there... you are obviously a very proud man.
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Wouldn't make about my sayings too big number, but I rather buy than sell .

I have 10 immaculate old cars (5 Porsches and some other special exotics, more in racing and performance oriented purposes) now in my collection, but here in Finland, in the social environment for cars as a hobby my personal collection is very very modest compared to many of my friends. It is not collected that much of sales value in mind rather than cars with some very special driving skill (as a sample my precisely period-detailed FIA Historic Rallye B Group Ur-quattro A2 with 428rwhp in it: an excellent toy for Historic Rallyes in winter and in gravel, big smiles when pushing it to my limits rather than the limits of the car which has real professional racing car performance). Green happens now to be very enjoyable toy for my certain purposes right now, because of its tremendous handling and performance capabilities. I don't mean I wouldn't rather take Pagani or Koenigsegg immediately if that would be in easy reach, but at least right now they are economically too far for my efforts (I think you can buy Koenigsegg with some 700k euros exl. import taxes and we all know the prices of Carrera GT:s, in Finland price even for used one would be still between 400-500k euros. Ferraris are relatively cheap here, F430 standard you can get used with some 250k euros. But still it is about 100k euros more than I have put money to building my Green. Therefore I would say that my Green is relatively cheap car compared to its performance, which I tried to say here earlier... The price of Porsche is a sum of its parts, at least when the serious performance delivery is the point of choosing one.'

For instance a sample of the solutions for choosing a GT3 racing car to our national championships series you can win with, it might go something like this way:
2009 Gallardo GT3, 530hp, potential winner, price in Europe as new appr. 350k e
2009 GT3 Cup S, 460hp, an excellent handling, fast in right hands, but compared to Gallardo needs very skillful driver, price in Europe as new appl. 295k e
2009 GT3 Cup, 440hp, price in Europe as new appr. 195 k e, price/performance ratio best of all, but not winner car without upgrades to aerodynamics, suspension and engine.
2009 GT3 F430 CS, 520hp, potential winner, price depending on equipment 380-480k e
2009 GT3 Audi R8, appr. 480-510hp, stunning fast, price depending on equipment 350-500k e

Then if you don't take new car, which would be a budget version to win in season 2009 or 2010 ?
Either 2007-8 GT3 Cup RSR downgradedfrom GT2 rules to GT3 rules, available in 280-350 k e
or F430 CS GT3 2006-2008 with 510hp performance package, available in 120-280k e.

What you can find surprising here, the competitive budget car would be used F430 CS GT3 with correct parts in it... 2006-2008 Porsche GT3 Cups needs more upgrade than GT3 FIA rule allows, so they are good for Carrera Cups and Super Carrera Cups and club racing... Speed and price is very relative thing.
My Green admits here mentioned cars faster when driving slick tyres, but older GT3 s etc. don't do it any more... Therefore I would say Green is very very cheap performance car. Everybody in this forum can agree that 930 based cars are very cheap cars to maintain and service, compared to the cars I mentioned in this post earlier. It is only practical and cheap to build fast and reliable street legal racing car from old 930 based car, even with update parts equal to the modern cars.

And back to the Strosek subject: why I have chosen Strosek body is its highly developed aerodynamical form to old bodied 930 as well as modern very carefully designed looks. It is easily best formed aftermarked body for pre-89 cars available and suite well for performance purposes. But it needs the aerodynamical set we have made.

And still I'm after a sort of originality when reforming valuable cars: either clean period correct classic racing replica or some other body modification with integrity in it.
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cars with some very special driving skill (as a sample my precisely period-detailed FIA Historic Rallye B Group Ur-quattro A2 with 428rwhp in it: an excellent toy for Historic Rallyes in winter and in gravel, big smiles when pushing it to my limits rather than the limits of the car which has real professional racing car performance).
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Petri - (respectfully) DEMAND PICS!!! Either here, PM, or email me paul at sfest.com!!!

8-)!

I've got a local bud here mid way thru restoring his - you could likely provide him invaluable insight to that end. While that's coming along he tools around his his full Grupp N Spec Cosworth Escort RS heh heh.

another local here's got one as well, came to my event back in '05 and _roasted_ up the back lot WOT for us to behold - *amazing machines* - I can still 'hear' it!




While I've certainly never been a fan of any of the Strosek styling points (boy did they suuuure like their roundy holes & circles, and that white car def. doesn't do much for me)... YOUR green car however is __sublime__ (lime pun intended)! A thing of beauty and brute to behold. Can't get enough of the flame shots, and those rear wing inlets make me tremble giddily each time your pics pop up on my screen! And your grey one's actually pretty cool looking as well. Please keep posting pics of them as you see fit 8-). Seriously impressive Nordschleife times - keep up the good work!

anywho... agreed with your prevailing point on calling a spade a spade in the ad...
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