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Just purchased 84 930 Turbo S Special wishes Slantnose....QUESTIONS?

Hi just drove home 800 miles with my new 930..

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Has a factory LED boost gauge 2 lights into the red seems like 1 bar is this stock boost?

The big centre console is rubs my leg and is a pain in the ass... Has anyone removed this and put in a standard one?

Some of the reading I did indicated this car may have differnet tubo and cams does anyone have any clarification on this?

I will post some pics tommorow....
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sorry the center console is not to your liking...but, w/o pictures of it, i would think it safe to assume that the console is factory optioned on the 930 s so you may consider keeping it.

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you should apply for a certificate of authenticity (at the dealer)
Then you can get the list of the options your car originally came with. As a special wishes car and being a euro model, the factory could have indeed installed all sorts of goodies.

Then again with the passage of time, so many people could not resist modifying their cars, especially turbo models for more power.


You have a rare car there; imho- keep it pristine original, resist the slippery slope of horsepower quest and other mods

AND POST SOME PICS HERE ! we want to share it
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The car was imported new from by Scottsdale Porsche ordered with the special wishes conversion suposedly doubled the price of the car. The mechanic who PDI'd this car when it was new. Heard the owner was going to sell it and contacted his friend who bought it. I bought it from this fellow.

He ordered the certificate of auth.
It does not show the conversion or any of the special wishes info. He ended up in contact with someone at Porsche in the know and they supposedely did not keep the records together on these early cars. It sure seems like a shame.

This car has that boost gauge in the clock position, 930S console with 3 gauges, Badge on the glove box saying it is #1 930S II for that year. It has been a while since I had a 930 but this thing pulls clean right to the top. I will get pics up tommorow.



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you should apply for a certificate of authenticity (at the dealer)
Then you can get the list of the options your car originally came with. As a special wishes car and being a euro model, the factory could have indeed installed all sorts of goodies.
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CoA would be a complete waste of time, imho. While the CoA's for 87's and up are quite accurate, the Special Wishes cars carried no such special paperwork at Zuffenhausen. It seems the people at the Werkes facility left a very poor paper trail.
There's an earlier thread in which the Porsche Club of Great Britain went to the facility to investigate Special Wishes cars shown here;Zuffenhausen Werkes

yipekiya, congratulations on your find. Look forward to seeing and hearing more about your new hoss.
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The car was imported new from by Scottsdale Porsche ordered with the special wishes conversion suposedly doubled the price of the car. The mechanic who PDI'd this car when it was new. Heard the owner was going to sell it and contacted his friend who bought it. I bought it from this fellow.

He ordered the certificate of auth.
It does not show the conversion or any of the special wishes info. He ended up in contact with someone at Porsche in the know and they supposedely did not keep the records together on these early cars. It sure seems like a shame.

This car has that boost gauge in the clock position, 930S console with 3 gauges, Badge on the glove box saying it is #1 930S II for that year. It has been a while since I had a 930 but this thing pulls clean right to the top. I will get pics up tommorow.



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Although I have heard of some special wishes cars come into the country through Scottsdale I know that they were all based on a car that were technically legal to import into the US. How did they get a 930S into the US in 1984 when the 930 was technically not allowed into the US because they could not meet emissions requirements?

Is this a US spec 930 S or a ROW 930S

How are the seals and rubber on a car with such few miles. I knew of a 600 mile turbo S cab without slope nose (one of 3 I beleive) the owner purchased it and needed major engine overhaul in a few thousand miles because everything dried up.

Would love to see pictures and best luck with it.
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No way is this car a usa delivery turbo in 1984. Delivery stopped at the end of 1979 and resumed in 1986 of usa legal cars.
Plenty of turbos (as well as other makes and models) were imported thru the grey market "back door" with non-porsche outfits modifying the cars to meet smog requirements on federal and state levels. Some of these mods were done well, some not so much.

We worked on quite a few of these grey market cars in '83, including a factory special wish turbo slant coupe. Gorgeous car with the center console, slant conversion, S front valence with the RSR oil cooler in it (yeah baby- $4500 piece!) The car was otherwise stock in the drivetrain area.
No question that you could order a car for european delivery with just about anything your wallet could support. Then bring it in the grey market way. A hotter motor would most likely not be done until the car passed. The regulations were very tough and the labs monitored.
We took a totally perfect condition stock ROW 80 sc, installed ALL the oem USA equipment on it: usa distributor, wur, new cat, perfectly tuned, passed california smog test station squeaky clean (they could not believe how clean it was) and we failed the start up cycle at the lab in bewilderment. Sucked it up and took it to the grey market specialist and with their tweaks, it passed. So hot rod parts as delivered from factory ? I don't think so !

Scottsdale and Alan Johnson in San Diego were known for selling and having installed the conversion kits to these cars too. Some of the parts are oem, some not. NOT saying that your car is one of those, but certainly may have had some subsequent mods done after delivery
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Is this the black car with an electrical issue?
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No way is this car a usa delivery turbo in 1984. Delivery stopped at the end of 1979 and resumed in 1986 of usa legal cars.
Plenty of turbos (as well as other makes and models) were imported thru the grey market "back door" with non-porsche outfits modifying the cars to meet smog requirements on federal and state levels. Some of these mods were done well, some not so much.

We worked on quite a few of these grey market cars in '83, including a factory special wish turbo slant coupe. Gorgeous car with the center console, slant conversion, S front valence with the RSR oil cooler in it (yeah baby- $4500 piece!) The car was otherwise stock in the drivetrain area.
No question that you could order a car for european delivery with just about anything your wallet could support. Then bring it in the grey market way. A hotter motor would most likely not be done until the car passed. The regulations were very tough and the labs monitored.
We took a totally perfect condition stock ROW 80 sc, installed ALL the oem USA equipment on it: usa distributor, wur, new cat, perfectly tuned, passed california smog test station squeaky clean (they could not believe how clean it was) and we failed the start up cycle at the lab in bewilderment. Sucked it up and took it to the grey market specialist and with their tweaks, it passed. So hot rod parts as delivered from factory ? I don't think so !

Scottsdale and Alan Johnson in San Diego were known for selling and having installed the conversion kits to these cars too. Some of the parts are oem, some not. NOT saying that your car is one of those, but certainly may have had some subsequent mods done after delivery
Are you sure of this. I spent a good portion of 1984 helping to bring over 70 Porsche's and a few exotics over through the grey market. I myself brought over a fantastic 74 RS clone with all factory parts and a max moritz 3.2 liter engine for myself. The major hurtle was meeting EPA requirements. It was way too costly to bring these cars up to spec. The compliance center here in NJ was owned by the man who basically started the grey market and brought the early Ferrari's and lambos in. Cost to make these cars compliant were well over the cost of a new Porsche at the time. All of the cars we brought in were more than 5 years old so the owners could take advantage of the one time EPA exemption although DOT requirements had to be met. This was a far more reasonable approach.

I guess if you spent enough $$ it was possible but didn't make sense to do IMO. One thing I remember about the newer cars that were brought over is DOT made them replace the small rear bumperetts with bigger ones than what were used on the US turbo. Each car also had prove that a pendulum weighing close to 50 pounds could swing and hit a bar across them and not damage any part of the car.
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there are always "exceptions to every rule" as we have seen licensed row cars w/o a darn thing done to them during what i would call the draconian years of epa/dot.

Amerispec was considered the standard , as he worked real hard to make sure the cars met the rules. It did not cost that much to get the cars legal, otherwise the business would not have been so sucessful. Some cars, as you said, would be over the top since there was no equivalent usa version and/or were so dirty (like your RS)

BUT authorized Porsche dealers would not jeopardize their business on doing their own back door imports of a non compliant car; that would have spelled the end of their dealership agreement
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Here are the pictures.... The car is a euro grey market but ordered and sold new by Scotsdale Porsche.


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Nice lookin' car there! Can you take a photo or two of the rear end so that we can see the exhaust arrangement? Also, it doesn't appear that the car has boxed rocker panel extensions. Is that correct?

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I can confirm that Scottsdale Porsche definitely imported a number of Special Wishes cars in the mid-eighties for their customers. I am familiar with the Porsche dealer in Germany that assisted with orders and delivery. I presume that PCNA looked the other way during this period as they were not able to supply these special cars to the US dealers through normal channels.
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Are you sure of this. I spent a good portion of 1984 helping to bring over 70 Porsche's and a few exotics over through the grey market. I myself brought over a fantastic 74 RS clone with all factory parts and a max moritz 3.2 liter engine for myself. The major hurtle was meeting EPA requirements. It was way too costly to bring these cars up to spec. The compliance center here in NJ was owned by the man who basically started the grey market and brought the early Ferrari's and lambos in. Cost to make these cars compliant were well over the cost of a new Porsche at the time. All of the cars we brought in were more than 5 years old so the owners could take advantage of the one time EPA exemption although DOT requirements had to be met. This was a far more reasonable approach....................................edit.. .........
Anthony,
My factory slant was imported into the US in '85 by an importer called, Exoticar Inc. (Gary Gnazzo). Port of Entry was Jersey. Heard of them?
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How about some pictures of the ductwork in front of the spare tire for the cooler?
Maybe even the cooler itself.
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How about some pictures of the ductwork in front of the spare tire for the cooler?
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Ductwork? The RSR cooler is mounted to the front bumper with about 1/2" of space between the rear of the cooler and the bulkhead.





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In his picture of the spare, there appears to be some sort of plastic shroud in front??
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Yes, there's fiberglass panel in front of the spare, but I thought all 911's had that. The little black donut is the cover for the headlight lift motor. The black protrusion in the lowest portion of the picture is the air conditioning's front condenser blower motor.
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Dave- I think that group911 is referring to the fiberglass piece that covers the folding headlamp mechanism. I believe that this cover is only found on the slantnose cars to tidy up/protect the rotating rod, etc.
Nice '84 factory slant, the BBS rims were a popular option specified on the Special Wishes cars during this period.
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I'm interested because I ended up with this front cooler that I always figured was from a 930S and wondered how the air was routed. This all appears factory, has an 85 date stamp and the lines go right into the long cooler lines.
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