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Gabe, i'm not questioning the power of your car, the point i was making was that we will get very few people stepping forward with their findings, as a lot will realise they do not have the power they are told they have. But hopefully we can get plently of people to properly test their cars and get a database going, will be a great comparisson tool for those going up the power ladder, and also a great tool between mods to see if you are moving in the right direction
I gottcha buddy - just lettin' you know what we're dealing with...haha ahh the problems we create for ourselves sometimes huh? Hopefully when I post up it will encourage more of the big hp 993 guys to step up to show they're on par with a mod'd 930...hehehehehe

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Old 11-23-2009, 08:13 PM
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If those times are possible Gabe that will be litterally mind bending!!
It would be interesting to know Dknebes data, weight, torque curve and gearing, and see what time comes out because we know his car does it in 6.5 seconds. If his data checks out then the tool should be quite accurate. I honestly can't see it though, it's probably a fluke that it works with my figures!?
Was the dyno graph you used corrected flywheel torque or wheel? Because mine was corrected flywheel, and if yours is wheel then your times would show as being even quicker as obviously you would have more power at the flywheel.

Looking at your theoretical graph after your Motec install (which i think is a great move BTW ) Would a pair of turbo's capable of producing those numbers spool this quickly?

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Old 11-24-2009, 03:22 AM
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That's pretty much the curve that the motor hit when pushed at 1.6 bar with existing turbos, so yes its possible and has been done before. So we'll see what happens with the ITBs and the retune but that's very, very close to what it will be at for 880hp.

The first set is from my dyno sheet that ran 605 rwtq and 634 rwhp at 1 bar. So yes there is much more power at the flywheel on that setting.

The numbers for the first set at 1 bar are accurate with my rear tire size and gearing effect that they have, traction has just been the limiting factor.

We'll see what happens!
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No wonder you are spinning the wheel inside the tire, those numbers are mental!! What are you being told engine life will be at those levels? I'm really quite excited to see the AX22 or VBox data on your car when it's up and running, your gear dependent boost level will really help with traction as you say, it'll almost definitely be the quickest aircooled porsche ever recorded. Shame we don't have a log from Bello's car, would be really good to have that to compare yours against!
Top stuff!!

Does anyone else have any data on theirs? There MUST be someone out there reading this that has done some runs with a data logger!!??
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Old 11-24-2009, 05:04 AM
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Good lord 880whp!!!! That is SERIOUS SERIOUS power. How much does the car weigh Reaper? Even at 1.6bar I would never be able to get that kind of power out of my 3.4L motor - no replacement for displacement I guess.

My ultimate intention is to take my car off the street entirely and race in GT1 class PCA against the other big turbo cars. I figure I can shed another 100lbs in full race trim (to 2100) and with more work the 3.4L can be pushing 700whp+ at 1.25bar. Beyond that I think the cars in that class are all so damn fast that it boils down to driver skill.

I am dying to see the Vbox data on your car. If you can get the car to hook up at 1.6 bar the 60-130 times would be insane. Maybe get yourself some Hoosier R6s for the test
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The motor should last about 30 hard running hours so it'll only be for sprints and vmax runs at 1.6.

The car weights 2,458 lbs if I remember correctly.

Yes I will def. be running slicks for the testing, like i said I can't wait to run her in Feb and see what she has. So if she lives up to her name, cool, if not, back to the tuning board
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At a weight of 2450 with 880whp and that fat torque curve I really believe your car will probably be able to post low 5s 60-130 times if you can hook up. Look at what similar power 996 Turbos run and then consider that those cars weigh over 3000lbs. The 6speedonline forum has a huge thread on 60-130 Vbox times.

Do you have a 5 speed or a 4 speed box? Having a 4 speed actually helps in this test because its only 1 shift
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Does anyone know what is Yellowbirds 60-130mph...
I've seen video--which looks like YB walks 996T RUF-R.

Maybe JBL can chime in.

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The Yellowbird did 0-125mph in 11.4 and 0-60 in 4.0 so the 60-125mph sprint took 7.4 seconds. Call it 8.0 seconds 60-130
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If we are to believe the figures on Wiki, the yellow bird did 0-60 in 4 seconds, and 0-125 in 11.4 seconds. That makes a 60-125 of 7.4 seconds!

My car does 0-125 in 6.8 seconds (with a 60-130 of 7.53, that's the best ever run to date, they usually come up between 7.7 and 7.9 if i'm honest, with a 60-125 of 6.9ish)

I think the Ruf 993 TurboR does 60-130 it in 9.1 (at a guess 60-125 would be 8.2?), not sure what the 996 TurboR does it in?

It's quite amazing how the faster you go the longer it takes, i know it's obvious, but it all increases exponentially
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Just imagine Gabe, if you get 880rwhp you will have the same if not more power than this bad boy YouTube - Porsche 935 Dyno Pull
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Does anyone know what is Yellowbirds 60-130mph...
I've seen video--which looks like YB walks 996T RUF-R.

Maybe JBL can chime in.

Walt
If it's the video of AdamT in his Dad's yellow CTR racing his Dad's red 996 TurboR then that car isn't stock, it's been back to Ruf to have a little more spoot, i think it's around 530bhp or so. Adam's a nice chap, he's done a passenger run in mine at VMax. He's posted some great vids of him on the Autobahns in the TurboR getting well above 200mph, makes for interesting viewing
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JBL---YUP!!!

Thats the video I saw....Making it faster?!.. NEVER ENOUGH!!

How is your Turbo doing.?? stop making it faster.!!

Walt

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Mine is back together and they have been road testing yesterday and today, i should have it back on Thursday all going well!

Some of Adam's footage, it's poor quality but who cares

YouTube - Life on the Autobahn (you need to skip a good 4 minutes of this one)

This is in the 996 TurboR YouTube - Life at 204 mph


Would be great if all motorways had no restrictions !!!
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A bit of info on his car here
Dyno pull 733rwhp 89 930 - Rennlist Discussion Forums
I got the power figure wrong, actually 733rwhp. Although i believe he's over 800hp now if you look at his sig No idea what boost level?
Two shifts would mean he has to be running a G50 not a 4 speed, no mention of weight though
It's a seriously quick car, as i said these 60-130+ runs really show what you have, would love to know what Bello's car does it in
The car in question is mine with a stock g50, Quaife dif, Tilton 3 plate carbon carbon clutch and 3010lbs still at 733rwhp it always puts a smile on my face at full boost.
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The car in question is mine with a stock g50, Quaife dif, Tilton 3 plate carbon carbon clutch and 3010lbs still at 733rwhp it always puts a smile on my face at full boost.
Hi David, glad you chimed in!! Can you post your dyno graph, and tell us what your 60-120mph worked out at? I noticed from the vid of your car on the rollers it was a dynodynamics, did you get a graph showing est flywheel figures? Would be good to post the data into the tool and see what pops out
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At a weight of 2450 with 880whp and that fat torque curve I really believe your car will probably be able to post low 5s 60-130 times if you can hook up. Look at what similar power 996 Turbos run and then consider that those cars weigh over 3000lbs. The 6speedonline forum has a huge thread on 60-130 Vbox times.

Do you have a 5 speed or a 4 speed box? Having a 4 speed actually helps in this test because its only 1 shift
Yes I'm hoping we're going to be in that area, and i'm running a 4 speed stock geared 930 box with Quaife diff and a 29.4" tall rear tire. Makes for one hell of a first gear launch.
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Hi David, glad you chimed in!! Can you post your dyno graph, and tell us what your 60-120mph worked out at? I noticed from the vid of your car on the rollers it was a dynodynamics, did you get a graph showing est flywheel figures? Would be good to post the data into the tool and see what pops out
60mph to 130mph 6.5 sec I will have to find the dyno sheet it was on Renlist.
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60mph to 130mph 6.5 sec I will have to find the dyno sheet it was on Renlist.
David, do you have the AX22 or VBox file of the run? Along with your dyno graph showing corrected flywheel figures (which i believe all dynodynamics dyno's do, hence the repetative wind up and coast down on the dyno before the pull).
I believe so far you have the fastest "data recorded" aircooled Porsche in the world!! My email is jon@kigi.co.uk would really like to look at your run
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David, do you have the AX22 or VBox file of the run? Along with your dyno graph showing corrected flywheel figures (which i believe all dynodynamics dyno's do, hence the repetative wind up and coast down on the dyno before the pull).
I believe so far you have the fastest "data recorded" aircooled Porsche in the world!! My email is jon@kigi.co.uk would really like to look at your run
Jean from Rennlist has the Data from the AX22, I may have it as well, I have to find the dyno info, i looked for the files last night but with no luck. I will copy and post after turkey day.


This is the dyno pull on youtube

YouTube - PORSCHE 89 930 3.4 DYNO 733RWHP

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