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930 prototype for sale?

found an ad for this one. here is a sentance from the add and the link:

"As described in magazines and books, this is the prototype 911 Turbo which appeared at a number of international auto shows......"

1973 Porsche 911, $650,000 - Cars.com
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Seems strange that it's at a Hinda dealership....
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A little searching of the ol' interweb (googled 9113300157) has me thinking this is not the 930 prototype but rather the first car that Porsche constructed and showed as a Turbo Body, after which it was a museum piece then factory converted to an RHD 3-liter RSR for/to Australia; seems like it recently sold out of Australia and is now for sale at Princeton Lotus (same owner as Princeton Honda, hence the Honda dealership connection), Princeton Cars | New Lotus and Honda dealership in Princeton, NJ 08540. The info below is from Porsche 911 RSR Turbo Prototype for sale, classic cars for sale uk (Car: 13407)


"1973 Porsche 911 Turbo Prototype RSR
Silver with Green/Black tartan trim
Coupe
Manual
3.0 ltr
75,000 mls
VIN-No. 9113300157
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"A unique opportunity to own one of the Porsche Factory Protoype 911's. This is the first Turbo bodied car built by the internal design studio at Porsche and was displayed to the Public in September 1973 at the Paris Motor Show.
In addition the car also featured at the 1974 Geneva, Frankfurt, Tokyo and Melbourne Motor Show. After its show duties the car was returned to the Porsche Museum. In 1975 at the personal request of the Australian Porsche importer Alan Hamilton the factory completed the car as a RHD RS 3.0 with an RSR 3.0 engine. Raced by Hamilton early in its life here in Australia.

"Today the car is in fantastic original condition retaining all of its unique features including the "Style Porsche " badges and the Turbo stripes. The interior had special paddle head rest sports seats and the car sits on 9 and 11 inch Fuchs wheels.

"Featured in many books including 'From R to GTR3R (the Racing Porsche)' by John Starkey.

"This car is one for the true collector."
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It would be nice if someone could find a pic of the car @ the Paris show. I think @ that time it probably would have been some sort of a blue sceme of a paint job as I think that was the French racing colors. There might be some evidence of that still on the car somewhere that could be used as documintation that this is the same car. Nice find anyway,and rare if true.
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This looks like THE car as was covered in Excellence last year and, as the only one in the world, as well as the Paris show car/ first official turbo-bodied car that started it all, is probably worth somewhere in the neighborhood of what they are asking depending on who wants it (wonder why the factory museum wouldn't want it?). The fact that it has a 3.0 RSR motor and full RSR suspension, is all the better IMHO. Sounds like it was a blast to drive based on what i read in Excellence.
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Is WIKIPEDIA off a year ?
Or is this semantics ?

Is there such a thing as a 75 930 in the US or are they "officially 76s"

Wondering how this would work with CA DMV. Ti be exempt from smog is it a 75 or earlier sale or model ?

"Porsche badged the vehicle simply as "Turbo" (although early U.S. units were badged as "Turbo Carrera") and debuted it at the Paris Auto Show in October 1974 before putting it on sale in the spring of 1975; export to the United States began in 1976."
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Is WIKIPEDIA off a year ?
Or is this semantics ?

Is there such a thing as a 75 930 in the US or are they "officially 76s"

Wondering how this would work with CA DMV. Ti be exempt from smog is it a 75 or earlier sale or model ?

"Porsche badged the vehicle simply as "Turbo" (although early U.S. units were badged as "Turbo Carrera") and debuted it at the Paris Auto Show in October 1974 before putting it on sale in the spring of 1975; export to the United States began in 1976."
75 would be a euro model, 76 was the first year they imported to the US per your discovery above.
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It would be nice if someone could find a pic of the car @ the Paris show. I think @ that time it probably would have been some sort of a blue sceme of a paint job as I think that was the French racing colors.
??? Porsche was introducting the turbo to the WORLD at the Paris auto show, why do you think it would probably been painted in the french racing colors? It's current color scheme (most likely the original) is in the German racing colors.

On another note, I read that this car origiallny had a wood engine during the auto show tour, as roughly noted in the ad, the car received a motor only after being comissioned by it's first (other than factory) owner.
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Porsche was introducting the turbo to the WORLD at the Paris auto show, why do you think it would probably been painted in the french racing colors? It's current color scheme (most likely the original) is in the German racing colors.

On another note, I read that this car origiallny had a wood engine during the auto show tour, as roughly noted in the ad, the car received a motor only after being comissioned by it's first (other than factory) owner.
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I said that as an idea as Porsche did paint cars the color of the host country @ some major car shows as in the case of the 550 spider @ the paris car show in the 50s.
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The car was originally painted silver. htt://members.rennlist.com/914_canam/914CanamPrototype.htm You can go to BING search engine and look for ( paris france auto show 1974 ) and open the article about the 914 can am cars and there it sits in all of it's silver glory as a turbo. Or you can do a search on rennlist . A nice peice of history. The pics say it is the star of porsche @ the sept. 1973 paris auto show and call it a mock up car.

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Paging Jerry Seinfeld.....this would be a great addition to his collection.
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Paul if you know how to post a pic from a e mail , pm me your e mail and I will give you a pic of it @ the 1973 auto show in Paris and you can post it for every one. It is a magazine pic from that time but better than nothing.
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Here is a pic of it @ the Paris auto show from a mag. article
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From Car and Driver Feb 1974:



Interesting food for speculation. The motor is described as a 2.7L, 280HP@6500 which suggest the project really began as a turbocharged version of the 2.7RS (Carrera - Turbo) motor. 1974 motors were already defined as 2.7. Modify the intake, and lower compression this would have been a really sweet flexible motor when mated to the 915 5-speed trans.

However, everything written at the time suggested they were forced by reliability issues to install the miserable 4 speed which defined the need for the larger, slower turning high torque motors that finally went to production.

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I said that as an idea as Porsche did paint cars the color of the host country @ some major car shows as in the case of the 550 spider @ the paris car show in the 50s.

Point taken, but the 550 you refer to that appeared in french racing colors in '55(?) and was owned by a french racing team (hence the color scheme), the 550 was introduced to the world in the '53 Paris auto show was silver. I'm not saying that this never happened, but the turbo was such a hallmark car (especially as it realted to racing, as was the 550) that i don't see that porsche would introuduce in another's racing colors. I should have made my original point more clear, sorry.
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I LOVE this car
Would do anything to have a 75 Euro.






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Interesting that it claims to have a Manual 5-Speed
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a well known and seriously nice car.
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