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cleaning engine parts recommendations

What are you guys cleaning/soaking your parts in? I have a 3.3 motor that I am disassembling and I want to soak them and clean them up to inspect them. I've heard and read everything from diesel fuel, to varsol, to mineral spirits. I am new to the mg and al materials.

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I used mineral spirits in a parts washer. A 5 gal bucket with MS would handle a lot of parts. You may want to strain and filter the fluid every once in awhile. Letting the particles settle, then pouring off the clear MS helps as well.
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I should mention I have a heated parts washer also. Can mineral spirits be run in a heated parts washer. I am also concerned about VOC's and eventually disposal.
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I would use the mineral spirits and turn off the heat in your parts washer... you don't need it and it would be a health risk from the increased fumes when used indoors and maybe a fire hazard.

You don't need heat for that, just a stiff parts cleaner brush.
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+1 on the mineral spirits with the heater off.

For really hard to clean small parts I use Berryman Chem-Dip.
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One thing to think about is parts that small holes, etc where oil will run though them. If any of these parts are to be cleaned, you might want to use the clean MS on them first (if at all). Using air and brake cleaner can help to get anything left over. Don't want to clog up any parts with crud.
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disclaimer - i am not an expert, but someone on one of the 914 boards mentioned pine sol in lieu of berrymans and posted some pics with pretty impressive results, here is the link.

914World.com - A Porsche 914 Community / Forum / Club

any thoughts???
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disclaimer - i am not an expert, but someone on one of the 914 boards mentioned pine sol in lieu of berrymans and posted some pics with pretty impressive results, here is the link.

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I've heard that too. Hmmm. I might have to try it. I'll look at the thread.
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Okay well I committed to the PS cleaning.

I tried a few different mixtures (PS:Water), 1:1, 1.5:1, and 2:1.

I didn't notice any real difference between the mixtures. I soaked them in a black 5 gal bucket because it was convenient, then later put the bucket in the sun (TX sun) to see if the cleaning action would be accelerated. I noticed a little difference, but that may be due to the soak times were different.

The end result... I'm happy with the process and the cost. A 1.35gal jug of PS is $7.96 at Sam's Club. You will most likely pay double if you go to a commercial cleaning chemical retailer. So, if you have access to a Sam's Club use it. If you don't bribe a member at the door with a hot dog combo. Almost like coaxing someone to buy beer for you back in the day, or so I hear...

I didn't take a "before pic" of the worst one, but the "before" pic below is representative of what went in albeit the first ones were the worst. Sorry, I was in a hurry. There was some slight brushing and rinsing afterward, but very little.

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do not soak mag in pine-sol

Heads up on the pine-sol degreaser thing.

I have been having great luck with using pine-sol for degreasing parts both steel and aluminum. So, I decided to soak the fan and when I came back after soaking for a long time the top of the "bath" was "foamy"! Umm... dat no good.

So I took the fan out and it was still intact, but pitted and brittle in some places on the edge. I had it in a basket and it almost looks like the basket got plated in mg? Really strange. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to use the fan or not. I'm going to let it dry out and see what kind of condition it is in.

So, DO NOT SOAK YOUR MAGNESIUM PARTS IN PINE-SOL!

Aluminum is fine. I have soaked aluminum for days without any issue, etching, or shadowing. Also, steel is fine, beware of flash rusting for bare surfaces.

Being new to the forum and Porsches I haven't been able to contribute much. I hope this counts... I may need a fan. Anyone have one for sale?

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Interestingly low flash point. I did not pay any attention in Chemistry. I've attached the MSDS for your reading pleasure.

http://www.uline.com/PDF/MS-7146.PDF
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You might want to pop the fan in the oven to cook out and PS penetrated it. For replacements, Verte(x) has them cheapest I think.
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John,

Thanks for your contribution.

How did the pine-sol do on the combustion chambers of the heads?


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John,

Thanks for your contribution.

How did the pine-sol do on the combustion chambers of the heads?


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It did pretty decent. The harder stuff will either need to soak longer or you will need to use mineral spirits. Compared to berryman's it didn't work as well, but it does work. What I liked is you can put this stuff in a 5 gal bucket and soak it. I filled the bucket to about the 4gal point. I used a brush to knock of the carbon. At the end of the day with one overnight soak it took about 60-70% of the carbon off. My solution was mixed about 60% PS 40% water.

To do a 5gal bucket of Berryman's or Mineral Spirits would be considerably more expensive. The sediment settles to the bottom and oil rises to the top.
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I am so trying this. Never thought about PineSol (sp?)
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I am so trying this. Never thought about PineSol (sp?)
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Gosh, never really looked. I think it's "Pine-Sol".

I'll have t look. It's one of those I recognize the label thing...
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