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Quicksilver77 11-08-2010 03:02 PM

How much is too much??
 
No this isn't a horsepower thread! :) We all know the answer to that question... :D

The question is: How much oil on your garage floor is too much? I have never owned an air cooled car before the 930, and never had any oil on the floor, so when I back out of the garage or peer under the rig, and see 6-8 drops on the floor after each drive, mainly centered under the passenger side heater box it kind of makes me cringe.

In talking to some techs all seem to say that "old Porsche's don't leak... they mark their spots." They have also said that I should wait until something catastrophic happens before I pay the price to have the motor pulled and re-sealed.

What are your thoughts? Motor is running strong, and happy. Do I keep adding oil per the techs recommendation and keep wiping the garage floor? Or bite the bullet and pull it and experience the "while you are in there" syndrome?

cole930 11-08-2010 03:11 PM

Sean,

I'd start by crawling under the car and inspecting for signs of leaking. Look at the normal culprets drain plug & sump plate (if you have them) valve cover seals, chain covers, tensioner lines, oil lines, and oil return tube seals. 6-8 drops is not a leak 1/2 a quart is a leak.

Cole

TIM.G 911 11-08-2010 03:30 PM

Boost sweat
 
We call it boost sweat! My turbo buick leaks more than the porsche and its a brand new motor!

A930Rocket 11-08-2010 03:58 PM

Mine only leaks if it's been sitting for a long time. :( Seems it leaks at the valve cover gaskets and the studs/nuts for the valve cover. Even then, it's only a few drops.

I wouldn't worry about the leaks until it gets too bad.

Ken911 11-08-2010 06:26 PM

if it fails the tech inspection and they will not let you on the track due to leaking oil then it's too much. Or if the guy behind you at the track has to pit to clean your oil off his windshield then you need to fix it . happened to me at sebring when my rings went south he was pretty pissed brand new cayman with a nice fresh coat of oil.

Quicksilver77 11-08-2010 08:11 PM

LOL! Well I don't think I am dropping a 1/2 qt, in danger of failing a tech inspection, or coating the cars behind me in dinosaur juice, so I guess I'm alright for the time being! Thanks for your humor and your replies! I will get her in the air again and see if there is anythin glaringly wrong.

A930Rocket 11-08-2010 08:46 PM

Use some engine cleaner and pressure
wash it off at the car wash. Then look for the oil leaks, as it will be much easier to find.

lite75 11-08-2010 10:15 PM

I'd take a quick look at the rocker shafts for correct centering and torque. They start with a drip when there loose but can get much worse if they continue to slip from the center position.

Ken911 11-08-2010 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lite75 (Post 5663415)
I'd take a quick look at the rocker shafts for correct centering and torque. They start with a drip when there loose but can get much worse if they continue to slip from the center position.

+1 on that i replaced all mine when i rebuilt it and got a good deal on e bay with some new rocker shafts they were unsdersized and wouldnt stay tight. so I had to replace them all.

dhg1337 11-11-2010 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken911 (Post 5663424)
+1 on that i replaced all mine when i rebuilt it and got a good deal on e bay with some new rocker shafts they were unsdersized and wouldnt stay tight. so I had to replace them all.

I must have bought the same Ebay rockers shafts, they were under sized also.

DPHANS 11-11-2010 11:00 AM

Hi.
I use a mineral oil, MAXIMA Classic 50w . Its a straight 50W oil, Its made for air cooled engines. Like Ducati and more.
-Extremely high-performance oil designed with the latest technology additives-

If I use a syntetic oil, I will have more the 6-8 drop on the floor.
Ps. Maxima is made in US.

Thanks
DPHANS
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mituan 11-14-2010 10:52 PM

As a WUR and Fuel Distributor rebuilder, posts like this are what caused me to have to buy a cnc lathe to remake the parts you destroy in doing this because you found 1 out of 4 adjustment points on this WUR. Contact me and tell me what you are trying to do and I can give you some help, this is not the solution to warm control pressure problems.

j930 11-15-2010 06:34 PM

I too am a new owner of a 930 and I like you am not used to seeing any oil on the floor. I found some hoses that were leaking and replace the stuff that i Could see but I finally took it to a guy that knows air-cooled engines and older engines as well. he found that I was losing a good amount of oil from my chain tesioner cover plates, as the gaskets were old and leaking. he then found some manifold leaks and you know how that story goes(while we are in here lets do this and that and this and that). I am expecting to get the car back this week and I am hoping that there are little to no leaks.

JFairman 11-15-2010 07:13 PM

Yeah, I also bought some of those inexpensive (compared to new origonal ones) aftermarket rocker arm shafts off ebay a few years ago. When I found they were undersized I called the place I bought them from and they took them back and gave me a full refund no problem. I just had to pay shipping both ways.

Then I bought new origonal ones and what a difference in quality, machining, and the polished finish... no comparison at all.
Those cheap aftermarket ones can also crack at the groove where they expand if and when you tighten the crap out of them trying to expand them to lock them in place.

Those aftermarket rocker shafts are no good. They are around .0001" undersize in diameter so they don't lock into the holes for them in the cam tower and they will leak oil.

Use origonal porsche rocker shafts and rocker arms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhg1337 (Post 5667819)
I must have bought the same Ebay rockers shafts, they were under sized also.


dhg1337 11-15-2010 07:28 PM

The seller refunded mine also. Did not leave a negative comment. It may have made the refund difficult. That .0001 is a big thing. Had my rockers at Dougherty camshafts, he noticed the difference right away. He repolished my old originals, which were bigger.


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