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New Boss 302 vs 930

Gents,

I recently purchased a Boss 302 to enjoy when the temps gets higher and my older cars are just too uncomfortable on long trips in the summer. The new Boss is a blast to drive, excellent handling and has an amazing sound. It has a 0 to 60 in 4 seconds and pulls great. BUT,....my 930 would scare it off the highway. Of course, I'm new at driving the Boss so, maybe I'm not able to get the power from it. After saying that, my initial impressions are the 930 at 55 to 80ish( maybe higher with boost will blow its doors off.

I don't know what HP my car has or its weight. I have removed heat, air, all insulation, have a 20lb seat, no passenger seat, etc. The car is also is posting good AFRs all around.

In all, if I had to find space on a highway and the only way to get it is to accelerate. I put my money on the 930. So if you find yourself having to pass a Boss to get off on a exit, you will most likely make it.

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Never ceases to amaze me...our "old" antiquated no-frills 930's still give modern techology a run for it's money. The Boss is a cool rig, nothing to be ashamed of and may kick the 930's ass until about 3/4 of the way through 2nd gear, then no contest once she wakes up to the challenge.
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It's hard to hide 1000 pounds. Especially braking. But I bet the Mustang gets the typical driver around a track quicker than the 930. You'll have to be our journalist!
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Cool car. Was it hard to get one?
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Never ceases to amaze me...our "old" antiquated no-frills 930's still give modern techology a run for it's money. The Boss is a cool rig, nothing to be ashamed of and may kick the 930's ass until about 3/4 of the way through 2nd gear, then no contest once she wakes up to the challenge.
Sounds like her 930 is extensively lightened, and it was just perception.

I would actually enjoy watching the two of them race from a standing stop in a quarter mile. I seriously doubt any stock 930 would keep up.

2011 Boss 302 specs:

PRICE: $40,000 - $47,000 (est.)
ENGINE: 5.0L V8
HORSEPOWER: 440 hp
TORQUE: 380 lb-ft
SIZE (L x W x H): 188.1 x 73.9 x 55.1 in.
CURB WEIGHT: 3,650 lbs. (est.)
0-60 MPH: 4.2 sec (est.)
0-100 MPH: 10.1 sec (est.)
1/4 MILE: 12.7 sec @ 111mph (est.)
TOP SPEED: 155 mph
ROADHOLDING: 1.01 g
BRAKING: 60-0 mph: 100 ft. (est.)
FUEL (City/Hwy): 17 / 26 mpg

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I don't think any stock 930 would fare very well on a track vs a Boss either- this is the model that beat the M3 in testing.

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I looked at the New Boss before buying a 87' 930. What turned me off more then anything were the Ford dealers attitude in general and lack of professionalism when I tried to put a deal together. They all wanted up money for the right to pre-order the 2012 Boss, which I was willing to pay as long as it was reasonable, but some wanted as much as $5 to 10K over sticker...

I finally found one Ford dealer near me at about $2 to 3K over sticker, but when I was on my way over there to give them a down payment the salesman called and said his manager wouldn't sell the Boss at our agreed upon price. I told them that I hope it rusts on their lot...

Ironically, after I bought the 930 that Ford dealer called back and said they would do the deal after all. I told them to go pound sand
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Sounds like her 930 is extensively lightened, and it was just perception.

I would actually enjoy watching the two of them race from a standing stop in a quarter mile. I seriously doubt any stock 930 would keep up.

I don't think any stock 930 would fare very well on a track vs a Boss either- this is the model that beat the M3 in testing.
Never, ever, assume that any 930 is stock. That is a good way to have your ass handed to you.

My car has typical bolt on mods and it hung right with a Nissan GT-R from 60mph up to about 130mph. The Nissan driver was astonished.

This car is faster than a new $400000 Lexus LF-A in the quarter mile.
Quarter mile results.
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Never, ever, assume that any 930 is stock. That is a good way to have your ass handed to you.

My car has typical bolt on mods and it hung right with a Nissan GT-R from 60mph up to about 130mph. The Nissan driver was astonished.

This car is faster than a new $400000 Lexus LF-A in the quarter mile.
Quarter mile results.
True that...I have a friend in California with a modded 930. It's a scary beast, indeed..

But then, huffer motors? How 'bout a Shelby super snake? 750 ponies, nearly double the power of the Boss 302. Corvette Zr1 also comes to mind. When we start talking boosted and other mods, the horsepower wars reach some pretty scary heights.

(edit) As you can tell, I prefer normally aspirated power over boosted. Longer engine life than boosted.

I bought my old 911S in 1974. When the then new 930 came along in '76, my 911S suddenly became an obsolete old 911. But...I hung in there. My Bullitt Mustang is now a low horsepower obsolete old Mustang. I'm hanging in there...
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Never, ever, assume that any 930 is stock. That is a good way to have your ass handed to you.

My car has typical bolt on mods and it hung right with a Nissan GT-R from 60mph up to about 130mph. The Nissan driver was astonished.

This car is faster than a new $400000 Lexus LF-A in the quarter mile.
Quarter mile results.
Oh my 928S will run a full 2 seconds quicker than a stock 928 of my year does too (actually 2.33 seconds faster)....but i am not sure what that means in relation to comparing it to a stock vehicle.

Apples and oranges.

My 928S in 1983 dollars costs as much as a brand new Boss 302 does in 2011 dollars- both were $47,000 cars when new (according to the specs i posted above, a fully loaded 302 tops out at 47k).
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(snip).... My Bullitt Mustang is now a low horsepower obsolete old Mustang. I'm hanging in there...
Sorry Paul, I couldn't resist.

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yes...never assume that a 930 is stock as in modified ls7 at 705 chp and should weigh in at less than 2400 pounds.
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I think a v6 mustang is about as fast as my mostly stock 930. Ford did well with this car and I dont mind as my caris cooler and they had a 27 year head start. Remember though, people modify mustangs too!
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[QUOTE=PorscheGAL;5996437]Gents,

It has a 0 to 60 in 4 seconds and pulls great. BUT,....

If true = impressive, numbers speak for themselve. But the driving pleassure is not there. Enjoy it though.
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What turned me off more then anything were the Ford dealers attitude in general and lack of professionalism when I tried to put a deal together. They all wanted up money for the right to pre-order the 2012 Boss, which I was willing to pay as long as it was reasonable, but some wanted as much as $5 to 10K over sticker...

I finally found one Ford dealer near me at about $2 to 3K over sticker, but when I was on my way over there to give them a down payment the salesman called and said his manager wouldn't sell the Boss at our agreed upon price. I told them that I hope it rusts on their lot...

Ironically, after I bought the 930 that Ford dealer called back and said they would do the deal after all. I told them to go pound sand
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In the future I'd come to Detroit to buy a car like that. The sales volume through Detroit is higher than most parts of the country, therefore dealers usually don't demand much over sticker, if anything at all. Same for Corvettes too.
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Cool car. Was it hard to get one?
It was hard to get. I talked to several dealers from TN, GA, NC, SC to Florida. I eventually found 2; one in Florida and the other in Charleston. I bought the one in Charleston. It was over sticker price and I don't regret it. It is a wonderful car and Ford should be proud of it.

My 930 cannot compete with the Boss off the line to 60 mph. I also don't want my 930 to be good off the line. I drive it for highway runs and it is good at it. The Boss has no lag and no heat sink and every time you push the peddle it delivers a great experience.

The cars are unique in how they work and I appreciate them both. My reason was to post that our 930's have the potential to compete with modern hot rods. A stock 930, at least when mine was stock, would not run with a Boss at hwy speed.

This is only my impression. The facts may show differently if you could put the cars neck and neck running at 55. I know that if I run across a 930 on the highway in my
Boss, I will not make the assumption that I can beat it.
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Local dealer, markup $20K
IIRC they did the same thing with the Shelby 500 when it first hit the mkt and they are everywhere now so no more markups...the Boss may a lot cheaper in a year or two and they may work out any bugs found by then too...Just me, but I'll never buy one no matter what cuz the Ford stealers turned me off
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A buddy of mine just put a 440 hp crate motor in his 64.5 Mustang at about 2500lbs. Talk about scary. It may shake apart at some point, but until it does the new Boss wouldn't have a chance in a straight line. I wouldn't want to drive it hard any other way.
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The Boss is a great car. It makes tons of power down low and will rev over 7500rpm. Low 11's at 117mph are just a Cold Air kit and tune away.
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