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Ron:

Sorry, I don't understand your question.

If your talking about the engine tin that fastens to the engine and fills
in between the engine and rear apron I will not be using one. I am trying
to move as much air down through the IC and out the back as possible.


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Looking good!!! Keep the updates coming Cole
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Nice work, mate.
You may want to remove those card board box's from under the car.
May make it a bit scary at high speed.
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Jonathan:

Hey Bud !!!! Hope your doing well !!!!

Thanks for the encouragement, I need it. I have really been discouraged the
last few months and it's really nice to see things progressing again.

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Vas:

Those are not cardboard boxes, those are custom engineered jigs and
fixtures used to preciously position critical components to determine the
correct mounting hole configuration and location.

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Dang! I just missed the delivery of your cool TK IC by less than 2 weeks when I visited ya then. Ubber coolness it's coming along. So, was it your neighbor friend who dropped by to pick up the exhaust flange that made the custom rockers? I remember you mentioning he's a pro in composite work. Those rockers are nice along with front and rear bumpers!

Keep the progress going!
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Looking good Cole!
Just a picky point but you'll need a gage on your fuel head to monitor system pressure. The gage after your fuel pumps will measure gross pressure that has not yet been trimmed by the fuel head or dampened by the accumulator.
Keep up the good work!
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Ron:

Sorry, I don't understand your question.

If your talking about the engine tin that fastens to the engine and fills
in between the engine and rear apron I will not be using one. I am trying
to move as much air down through the IC and out the back as possible.


Cole
Yes, that is the engine tin section I was talking about, Cole. Won't leaving it off mean that the engine fan will draw in the super heated air around the turbo and blow it over the cylinders and cylinder heads? I hope I'm not being an ass here - just seems like a concern . . .

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YO Mikie !!!!!

Thanks for the kind words. Loved having you here as always and
another late nite of course.

The IC got here a few days after you took off. I had to do some Old
Guy cobbling to get it installed. Made the turnbuckles and mounting
brackets so the IC is rock solid and I put a short turnbuckle up front
that holds the outlet tight on the throttle body. The nice thing is it is
solid enough to sit on and you can have it off and sitting on the bench
in less than 10 min.
Yes, that was Bob that came to get the exhaust flange. We have
been friends for over 30 years. He is the finest man and best friend I
have ever known. Bob has done all the paint and glass work on the
Sled. We chopped the s--- out of a brand new front bumper and modified
the the inlet openings, added a lip, and molded in the brake ducts. He
pieced the rear bumper back together after my nephew backed over it
and made the rockers from scratch.
When the first Doctor told me my cancer was terminal and I had 6
months to a year to live Bob is the only person I ever told. He promised
he would put the Sled back together and help get it sold for my wife.
He is an exceptional person and a cherished friend.

Brian:

The gage at the filter was installed just to monitor fuel pressure
after the tank, lines, filter, and accumulator. I have a second gage
that was intended for the CIS system pressure but won't install it
until I see how much room I have to work with. I have one input left
on the SSI and I thought if the WUR control pressure transducer
works well I will install another transducer at the fuel head instead
of another manual gage.

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Ronnie:

That's what I thought you were referring to. No offense taken here as
that it is a valid concern. With all the s--- that is crammed between the
engine and the bumper back there I don't have any way to effectively add
tin. I have the WMI which helps cool the cylinders and heads under boost
and I have entertained adding a manual push button to trigger the WMI .
The IC itself will really help because Chris designed it to have a large
surface area and thin core to get max heat dissipation. I have also sketched
out a preliminary circuit design with a separate solenoid at the WMI TB
fitting that would supply an IC spray bar above the IC manually if needed.
I figured once I'm up and running I will at least have a plan B if I'm seeing
excessive temps.

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Cole all you need to do is get some stainless steel and fab up a heat shield around the hot side to reflect that heat away from the motor and prevent the hot air from rising I used to have to replace my starter on the blazer (SBC 350) about every 2 years because of heat issues that would make it fail and I made a heat shield and haven't replaced another one since. Y ou can even keep it far enough away that you don't put premature wear on the turbo by locking the heat in like a blanket would do. Good luck!
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G Man:

Good to hear from you buddy !!!!!

I saw your build thread for the first time last week on the 911 forum. I was
very impressed with what you have done and the car is absolutely awesome.

I do have a heat shield on the turbo hot side that wraps around the turbo.
I have 825 sq. in. of grill in the top of the deck lid. No large muffler blocking
space between the turbo and the rear bumper and vents in the rear bumper.
The tail extends out over the back and sits atop the rear bumper which
draws air flow down and out the rear. I should be fine as I also have a
manual WMI operation and spray bar option if needed.

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I think you will be fine. I don't think the turbo RSR had engine tin either. It would suck if you lived on my road with no rain to keep the dust down I have to hose the motor down pretty much after every drive right now and I only have a half mile I have to drive to get to blacktop. Thanks for the complement the build thread will continue just not on that forum.
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Cole - good to see you are still kicking along , in all respects.
I may not have the full grasp here - but FWIW, I added a heat shield 'tin' to my beast. I made an uber thin Aluminium sandwich with some Nomex sheet sandwiched between. I slid this between where the bumper buts to the body lip. You may be able to cut/slice/dice something like that if needed. Basically I used the same mounting bolts you will use to attach the bumper on.
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Couldn't find any rockers I liked so we made our own. Final fit before trim
and paint:






Where did you come up with these? Do you have a mold?
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Alan:

Great to hear from you my friend and I hope life is well in beautiful New Zealand.

Great minds must frequent the same gutters !!!!! I was just about to pull
the turbo off to change mounting bolts and thought I might address a better
heat shield. Your post was perfectly timed and I thank you.

The best to you and the wife !!!!


Doherty:

I hated the shark fins and the two piece deal, I did like the slight twist you
see in the newer aero rockers, and didn't like the end cap looking thingies
you see on some.
We took an old original rocker and clamped both ends and did some
twisting on it until we got a bit of a rollover in the center and laid up some
glass over it. We cut it to about the right length and then modified the
shape of the twist with filler to get a longer smooth roll to it. We dinked
around with different end cap designs and ended up settling with something
that was pretty suttle and wrapped around the ends.
They actually look much better than the pictures and I think they will be
nice once we get paint on them. We really have no molds, anything close
to molds ended up being our finished product. I also put the experience on
my never to do again list.
I'll post some good pics. once they are on. I would suggest looking at
Getty, MA Shaw and some of the newer rockers and then cut them up to
make what you want.


A little up date on the sled:

CIS back in and installed vacuum and boost manifolds and lines done.
Really getting crowded in there:










Set the IC on so I can plumb the boost feed line to the boost manifold
and install the WMI nossle:





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Great work Cole. Glad all is well at your end. I just cut an Aluminium sandwich to the required shape, plus a sheet of nomex, and stuck the lot together with a few pop rivets. Then marked out the mounting holes for the rear bumper, and drilled. So the rear bumper holds it tight and the end near the engine mount can be steadied by overlapping or bolting to some appropriate fitting.
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Well !!!! Yesterday was a day I considered a major milestone in
this ongoing saga,,, nightmare,,, love affair. The IC is on and the
induction system is done !!!!

When one gets one of these off the wall brain fart ideas of doing
something outside of the box one has no idea of how difficult and
maddening it can sometimes be.

Late last nite or this morning, whichever it was, I was finishing the
installation and ordering the last two T Bolt clamps I need to replace
the original factory hose clamps. I started taking the attached pics.
and I was reflecting on what made me start this madness in the first
place. As a person who likes to think I do these weird ass projects
with purely practical intent.

The first pic. below is where all this started. I looked at this pic.
and noted the rediciously long intake track it took to get the
air/ fuel mixture to the turbo inlet. I thought if every time I let off the
gas I have to recharge all that tubing and the volume in the IC
again before I see any boost. Also doesn't closing the throttle plate
create back pressure on the turbo decreasing it's speed? Doesn't all
this create lag ? With that in mind I calculated the cu/in volume of
the stock intake tract and what might be reduced by relocating the
CIS and shortening the intake tract. With the change I made the
volume is now 1/20 th of what the factory set up is.

964 CIS Motor Intake track the early intercooled cars were even longer.







Some pics of the IC installed and new rerouting of intake track










Does this really make any difference ???? Who knows but it keeps
me out of the bars !!!!!!

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Setting your mixture and changing air filters just got a lot easier!
I like it just for the old school look. In practical terms I doubt you'll notice any difference in the time it takes for the column of air to move in the air intake and pull open the barn door. If that were the only goal you could remove the J-pipe on the stock system and mount the turbo directly at the merge then plumb the air through the driver's side engine tin.

Looking forward to firing up your creation!
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Setting your mixture and changing air filters just got a lot easier!

I like it just for the old school look. In practical terms I doubt you'll notice any difference in the time it takes for the column of air to move in the air intake and pull open the barn door. If that were the only goal you could remove the J-pipe on the stock system and mount the turbo directly at the merge then plumb the air through the driver's side engine tin.



Looking forward to firing up your creation!
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