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Austin Texas 10 years no tickets. 91 C2 turbo . I mad now .

Just got a ticket for 55 in a 45 . I have a proprietary data logger made from a Chinese unlocked Iphone 4 and some other bits. The data logger shows I was going 45 I was not speeding ..I saw the cop . My lawyer said there is no fighting a laser ever and they will throw the book at you for trying.

I work for a super high-tech R&D company and I will build a laser jammer if I cannot find a good no BS working one .

Question, anyone have real experience with a laser jammer ?

Just starting my research
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Black Hat,

Take a look at this site. I have done a bit of research on the subject as I was toying with the idea of building a unit and wanted to see what was out there. Radar Roy seams to be the real deal from what i have read on other forums about the subject. He tests and reviews this stuff on his site.
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Also look into the Vail coatings. They need to be reapplied but off and advantage that you need to be very close for the Lidar to acquire your speed. So if you have a Radar/Laser detector you have an advantage. Typically a laser detector alerts you when you are targeted with the gun. By that point its to late as they have your speed. With the Vail product you have time to react at least.
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i got the escort laser jammer but there is no place on a 911 to install it. the emitters are supposed to be next to the lights because thats where the cops focus the laser to get a good return signal. Still sitting in the box at home unused. So short of cutting holes in the car (NOT) there is no place to hook it up.
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I wonder if you could modify the headlight's (H4's or 5's) to accommodate them inside. I am not sure how effective they would be but they would be nearly impossible to detect. I also wonder if a slant nose with headlight down would ven get targeted from the front? That is if your state does not require a front plate.
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I wonder if you could modify the headlight's (H4's or 5's) to accommodate them inside. I am not sure how effective they would be but they would be nearly impossible to detect. I also wonder if a slant nose with headlight down would ven get targeted from the front? That is if your state does not require a front plate.
Back in the days radar detectors were new they did tests and drop type headlights were much better. Assume the same for LASER.
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Austin Texas 10 years no tickets. 91 C2 turbo . I mad now .

Just got a ticket for 55 in a 45 . I have a proprietary data logger made from a Chinese unlocked Iphone 4 and some other bits. The data logger shows I was going 45 I was not speeding ..I saw the cop . My lawyer said there is no fighting a laser ever and they will throw the book at you for trying.

I work for a super high-tech R&D company and I will build a laser jammer if I cannot find a good no BS working one .

Question, anyone have real experience with a laser jammer ?

Just starting my research

He didn't like your C2 period....Wrong place wrong time.

Get a liberal judge. Want to see his data/book log....

Went thru the same thing awhile back(no tkts over 10yrs also)...But was going a bit faster..

Walt

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I've got 3M film covering the nose of my 964 T. Twice cops attempted to clock me with laser (I was 10 over the limit and 15 over the limit respectively). Both times I was not pulled over. In fact, in one instance, I saw the cop ping me and then look at the display on his gun as if it wasn't working right or didn't behave as he expected.
I'm not certain by any means that the film was the cause but it's kind of intriguing....
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they point it at any reflective spot on the car so if no headlights like mine then the turn signal lights. but the light emitters are fairly big about a half inch high by several inches long. So I would need to cut holes in the bumper or something and it would look like hell. if the car had a grille like a beamer or something then it would be no problem. Sounds like in your case if you actually were not speeding then it wouldnt have mattered you would have been pulled over and ticketed anyway.
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Can you put the emitters where the headlight washers are?

911nut, what 3m film were you using?

It's my understanding they shoot for the license plate. Easy to see, reflective, and mandatory for most vehicles.

Are there any issues with "obstructing law enforcement" when using such counter speed tracking tactics? It seems a film would be more defendable in court as they can be justified for paint "protection". I'm not a lawyer, just a janitor.
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911nut, what 3m film were you using?
It's my understanding they shoot for the license plate. Easy to see, reflective, and mandatory for most vehicles.
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Just garden variety 3M Scotchguard Paint Protection film.
We don't run front plates in Michigan, fortunately. Could be the cops possibly aimed at the hood, which would reflect a laser beam into the air.
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cant put the emitter where the headlight washers are way too big
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I believe my H4's have a small hole in the bottom for that Euro lamp. I winder if you could just fish the wires in their and mount it somehow.
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It's difficult, really tricky.
Especially since here in CA they are renowned for entrapment and 95% of the time my word, yours, his and hers will not supersede the officers word.

I heard a rumor they wanted to put something in modern vehicles ECU's that basicly monitors vehicle speed and zone and will automatically send a ticket electronically!
I'd revolt but, as for jaming you'll really need a system and get a laser / radar and test your unit. Some of the units in Japan worked well.
But they have a totally different system I'm not sure it could be made to work against the US system. Cops here are better equipped in general.

There is a costing / film I have seen that will absorb or distort lasers. I've seen some plates that re-fact the plate numbers and to some percent help limit the effective range of the laser.

I suppose you could ditch the little city lights and go at it that way? Add a port to the backs of the housings that feed into the lamp.

I hear the laws in Texas are pretty in tolerant and the law enforcement is very capable and un merciful. dunno.
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I travel on the Texas roads quite a bit as a part of my job and it all depends on what town/county your in. In rural areas if your not from around there or know someone your usually toast, if you get picked off by DPS your toast, or other towns in the Austin area you just may be toast. Some of the towns are very strict and everyone knows it.

I would be concerned about anything covering the license plate such as a coating or clear cover. If it obstructs the "view" of the plate there are laws that prohibit that. I am sure they can interpret that to include coatings.
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Hey all,

My wonderful wife has decided to buy me the Escort laser jammer for my birthday...got to love the addiction support!!

Anyway, I looked over the options for placement of the receiver/emitters for the front.

I am not as opposed to altering my car as others seem to be, as the "ends justifies the means".

So I feel the best option is to discreetly slot out the front bumpers rubber impact strip, along with the needed slotting of the actual aluminum bumper behind it. This should allow for a rather simple, semi-discreet installation. Since the receivers/emitters are black, the impact strip is black, and you can position them exactly in the actual best location for function.

Simply installing a new impact strip would visualy return the car to stock appearance, and at only $140 from our host, seems like a no brainer.

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I guess its time to rip one of these laser jammer pods apart.

It is likely just a photodiode and LED that are matched to the output frequency (wavelength) of the laser gun (700 - 750nm red color?) . It should be relatively easy to pull those two components off the board and relocate them anywhere you want. Don't forget the red lens to filter out all the extra spectrum you don't want.

Even better is that you could duplicate the sensors at both headlights and license plate for added protection. You could likely tie them all into the same chip/circuit.

Anyone have one of these they want to donate for a test?

I had been looking at the Escort SRX for a while. I just could not figure out which car to stick it in.
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Well as pointed out earlier
Texas Legislature Online - 82(R) History for HB 1116
has passed and signed by the gov

initial investigation of an anti laser pod looks to be infa-red (not visible to human eye)
(I'm trying to talk a fellow engineer into taking one off his 1000hp supra while he is freshening up his engine)

we have done some experiments in a darkened garage in an attempt to to cut down on reflector sources on the front of my C2T.

we used a camera with night vision to see if any light from several different color lasers
would be reflected off the front of the car that our eyes missed.

a friend made a sticker that looks exactly like my front lic plate we laid it over the reflecting surface.

used 2 fiberglass racing light covers again with silver/ white stickers that look like headlights .

installed yellow front turn signal led and painted the reflector flat black inside.

I have a temp black sticker over my Porsche emblem

I already have removed the fog lights and have black air ducts

we cannot see any reflected light after the mods but before it lit up like a Christmas tree.

Now I need a real laser gun to test
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cut and paste from a laser gun mfg site:

Laser Speed Guns emit a very narrow, intense beam of "invisible" light. The speed of light is a known constant (approximately 300,000 Km per second). Therefore, the laser speed gun calculates distance by measuring the length of time it takes for the beam to travel to a target and back to the gun. Many such readings are taken over a brief period of time to determine how fast a vehicle is traveling. The speed reading "can" be accurate under "ideal" conditions. It is "claimed" that the narrow beam makes target verification more certain than with radar. The Lasers used by enforcement authorities in Australia are made in the USA by Kustom or LTI and operate on a frequency of 904 nanometers. In the states and territories of Australia, Laser Speed Guns have replaced most hand-held radar guns for stationary "point-and-shoot" traps.

904nm

Infrared IR Emitter LED Light Bar - Military IR LED lights - Military infrared LED lights - www.MagnaLight.com Spotlights and Flashlights

" Magnalight LED IR emitters can be configured for 850nm IR light, 940nm IR light or a combination of visible and IR LED lighting. "

InfraRed LED and Infrared Remote Control Receiver Module

now how much to overpower a Laser gun ? Solid or random pulsed ?

Now a Class C misdemeanor in Texas, worth the risk ?
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