Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Technical BBS > 1- Porsche Technical Forums > 911 / 930 Turbo & Super Charging Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 4 votes, 3.25 average.
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
Roby466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Halifax, Canada
Posts: 616
Garage
Hi Brian,
I just removed an aftermarket Alpine alarm system in my 85 930 (very old type with keypad inside to input a code like a home alarm) and take a look under the dash just on top of your left knee. If the 2 big wires splice in the wires coming out of the ignition (yellow one I think), they might be for a starter kill relay that would be installed somewhere in the trunk. Find the alarm box and take one wire at the time and remove them if it does not work anymore. It is always a good idea to find where that starter kill relay is wired into your car even if the alarm works just in case it decides to permanently ''kill'' the car (ask me how I know) it can easily be taken out of the equation if you just put the wires together.
Good luck!
David
__________________
David
1985 Black 930, K27 7006, Garretson Intercooler, Adj boost, TB: 23 - 31mm, bielstein sport shocks, ER polybronze bushings front and rear, ER monoball joints front and rear with offset camber plates, 935 X triangulated strut brace, raised spindles, racing bump steer kit
1981 Black 911sc (sold)
Old 01-29-2012, 07:25 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #201 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: S. Florida
Posts: 7,150
That narrow long plastic junction tank thing in the fuel tank vent line helps keep liqued gasoline from making it's way up and forward into the fuel evaporitive tank above the large windsheild washer tank behind the left headlight if and when you fill the gas tank all the way. The gas tank needs to be able to breathe all the time.

I've looked at it after topping up the gas tank as far as possible and there was some gas in it. The top hose from it goes up behind the fuse panel to a metal line that goes through the inner fender wall and connects to another fabric covered rubber line that goes forward to the bottom of the main evaporitive tank up behind the left headlight on a regular 911 but I don't know where the evaporitive tank is on a slantnose.

Then another line goes from the top of the main evaporitive tank back through the inner fender wall and eventually back down through the center tunnel and back to the charcoal cannister in the top of the right rear wheel well and then on to the air cleaner housing so the car doesn't make your garage smell like gas after filling the tank on a hot summer day.

The system works well and the only part with some weight is the charcoal cannister.
Like old vacuum lines the small fabric covered rubber vent line going back to the charcoal cannister is usually dried out and brittle in areas it's absorbed engine heat cycles over the last 30 years.
If you smell gas after a fill up that line is probably dried out and cracked under the fabric covering so you can't see it and is venting to atmosphere between where it comes out of the center tunnel, snakes around through body clips above the transaxle, and goes through the right rear inner fender wall and eventually connects to the charcoal cannister and then on to the air cleaner housing.

Thats the origonal AC evaporator box and fan in the smuggler box. There is usually a relay mounted in there that turns on the AC compressor clutch when the evaporator fan comes on to blow cool air into the car. Hopefully all that stuff works for you next summer if you keep it.
You have the early pre '86 top half of the AC evaporator box that lets you install a faster spinning aftermarket squirrel cage fan motor inside that blows alot more air out the AC vents. There's 2 places that sell an upgrade fan motor kit but thats another subject.

Lots of crappy old aftermarket wiring in the trunk. I'd remove all that carefully in steps while checking to see if the car will still start and everything including the factory alarm still works.
Old 01-29-2012, 08:37 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #202 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
Thanks guys!
That old alarm bothers me. I'm thinking of taking it to a shop that specializes in alarms and have it checked for function. If it works perfectly and they can show me how to use it I'll keep it, if not then I'll have it removed by a qualified technician that will not butcher the wiring any further.
Jim, this is noteworthy, when I got gas for the first time the gas tank was apparently under a seal and I heard it POP when the cap was removed. Not good. I left the gas cap loose until I can fugure out why it is not venting.
__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 01-29-2012, 10:26 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #203 (permalink)
Ova Day
 
msterling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wadsworth, OH
Posts: 755
Garage
The Carbine box is a remote power window interface. It is part of the alarm system. Carbine is an alarm brand made by Magnadyne. Magnadyne Store
Find a way to get rid of it.
__________________
88 Triple Black 911 Carrera Cab, ex Garage Queen
05 BMW E46 M3
08 BMW 328xi
08 Ski Nautique 375 hp
06 Chevy Silverado
Old 01-29-2012, 10:26 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #204 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: DC
Posts: 1,142
Garage
ditto on the alarm wires, I had at five pounds of wires from amp and alarm stuff on my car also , I carefully removed it ,as was suggested to already.

Good luck Brain
__________________
1986 944 turbo -first car
1997 993 Cab 6 speed-sold
1992 964 C2 turbo
SOLD, 911GT ,CIS, 428 fwhp 450 trq, Carrillo rods, 964 cams, TT retainers,7.5 comp 1.1 bar boost 320 ml black fuel head 009 injectors, 044 pumps, 60-1 T4/T3 dual scroll turbo
Old 01-29-2012, 03:49 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #205 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
So Carbine is no good? This system looks pretty involved. I spotted a horn in the driver's side wheel well. Can I assume since it is an alarm that I cannot simply cut the power going to the battery without any ill results?

On an up note we removed the tires from my old school wheels so the rims can be painted and new tires mounted. The tire machine is touchless and man is it nice! 356's and early 911's have skinny tires so I was curious how this machine would handle the big boys. Not a problem. The rims are with my wheel guy now to be painted. Turns out one of them was bent so we put it on the monster balancer and straightened it right up to a tolerance of <20/1000". Good deal 'cause they don't make these anymore.


__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 01-30-2012, 10:39 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #206 (permalink)
 
Now Available for Ordering:   101 Projects For Your BMW 3 Series 1982-2000  [more info]
Registered User
 
onboost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Metro DC
Posts: 5,280
Quote:
Originally Posted by RarlyL8 View Post
Can any of you tell me what this stuff is????

What is that bracket bolted to the smugglers box lid?

What are those huge wires by the smugglers box?
Brian,

The bracket "huge wires" are part of an old mobile cell phone unit.. track it down and rip it out.

I think the other guys pretty much summed-up the rest. You'll be surprised how nicely that fuse box cleans-up once all the after market stuff is removed.

Paul
__________________
RGruppe #180
So many cars..so little time!!
Old 01-31-2012, 03:13 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #207 (permalink)
Happiest when Tinkering
 
gsmith660's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 4,142
Quote:
Originally Posted by onboost View Post
Brian,

The bracket "huge wires" are part of an old mobile cell phone unit.. track it down and rip it out.

I think the other guys pretty much summed-up the rest. You'll be surprised how nicely that fuse box cleans-up once all the after market stuff is removed.

Paul
Thats what I said.
__________________
" Porsche there is no substitute" I always liked that saying. Air cooled is the only way to go!
76 911 C.R.A.P. Gruppe #2 BIG time TURBO C.R.A.P. Bitz EFI/EDIS Now MegaSquirt 3
76 Blazer also restored by me
Old 01-31-2012, 03:29 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #208 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Marietta GA
Posts: 2,508
Just curious but what is the desire for all that rubber out back? I ask because you mention wanting the rear end to be lively under boost. With those steamrollers out back and the much longer gears of the 930 trans you are going to need lots more HP to turn those things over.

When I bought my car it had 315's on 11.5'' wide wheels. It looked awesome but I never realized how much they drug the car down until I drove it with the factory wheels on it. The car was much easier to get out of the hole, shifted smoother, made boost quicker and was much punchier at Interstate speeds.

I think if you want something fun to drive on the street you are looking at too much tire.
__________________
1987 GP White 930
1977 Ford Bronco
Old 01-31-2012, 04:15 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #209 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
Quote:
Just curious but what is the desire for all that rubber out back?
Because it looks sooooooo badass.

I ran 345/45-15, 315/35-17, and 315/30-18 on the red rocket. None of them could hold the ground in 2nd gear. This engine will be a solid 450 ft/lb to the road when I'm done with it so at least 1st gear on the 4spd should roast 'em.
Why?

On another note I called the former owner of the gray ghost today to chat about all these wires going everywhere. Turns out you guys are showing your age; the cables and bracket on the smugglers box was indeed for a vintage car phone! Apparently Maxwell Smart owned this car, ha!
__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 01-31-2012, 05:09 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #210 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Tucson, Az.
Posts: 1,731
Garage
Brian,
very few things feel as good as getting rid of none factory wiring and monkey rigging Fun, deciphering someone else old toy is fun! I like it.
__________________
1978 Porsche 930
1968 Porsche 911S
1964 356C
Old 01-31-2012, 07:04 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #211 (permalink)
Registered User
 
proffighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,178
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by RarlyL8 View Post
I ran 345/45-15, 315/35-17, and 315/30-18 on the red rocket. None of them could hold the ground in 2nd gear
I run 235/45-17 and 255/40-17 Toyo R888 and had NEVER a grip issue, so it's more the rubber mixture than the size here. Was never on the dyno, but engine should be over 400Hp and 500Nm (370ft lb), even in the first gear there is almost no wheel spin when tires are warm
__________________
Roland

930 Turbo '81 Too many modifications to list
Old 01-31-2012, 11:39 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #212 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
I'm guessing it's the SC suspension vs 930 suspension. The 315/17's I ran were BFG TDK's which are pretty soft rubber.
__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 02-01-2012, 04:43 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #213 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
Here's a peek at the look I am going for with this bad boy.
The old school Fuchs are being painted and I got one of them back late today for a test fit. Probably won't get to that until Sunday but man does this look cool! Can't wait to see how all 4 look!



__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 02-03-2012, 08:11 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #214 (permalink)
Registered User
 
jsveb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Norseman territory
Posts: 2,742
Garage
That is sweet.
__________________
Jesper
Carrera 3.0 1975
930 1978 OEM Matte Schwartz, ANDIAL IC, BL WUR, SC cams. LMA-3 w. XD-16 and CP transducer
www.stauningwhisky.dk
Old 02-03-2012, 08:30 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #215 (permalink)
Registered User
 
j930's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Anthem, AZ
Posts: 875
Garage
what type of paint are they using. i guess more to the point, is it a powder coat?
__________________
84 930 Slant
15 Sonata 2.0T
08 Ram 1500
15 Ram Eco Diesel
Old 02-03-2012, 08:38 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #216 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
I thought long and hard about powder coat but decided against it due to the difficulty removing should I ever decide to go back to the OEM look. The paint is single stage with clear coat matching the car, nothing fancy. This is really an experiment but so far I'm diggin the look! There is nothing silver/chrome/shiny on this car, the low wide sinister look is what I'm after. I'll get the rest of the wheels back next week and with fingers crossed everything will fit as planned. If I can get the rear tire stuffed into the passenger's side wheel well I'll lower the car as much as possible and see how that looks and drives.
__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 02-03-2012, 08:50 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #217 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Strygaldwir's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Centreville, Virginia
Posts: 96
Garage
In many alarm systems they add ignition cutout and sometimes fuel cut-off. If you remove the alarm unit, the relay's that control these functions will be left in an open state and the car will not start/run. You'd want to trace back to the splice locations and repair the splices if you're going to remove the alarm. You could also jumper the relays.
Old 02-04-2012, 11:00 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #218 (permalink)
Metal Guru
 
911nut's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,502
Garage


Are you adding power steering to go along with those meats?
Parallel park that beast a few times and you'll have an upper body like Arnold used to have
__________________
Paul B.
'91 964 Turbo
Port matched, SC cams, K27/K29 turbo, Roush Performance custom headers w/Tial MV-S dual wastegates, Rarlyl8 muffler, LWFW, GT2 clutch & PP, BL wur, factory RS shifter, RS mounts, FVD timing mod, Big Reds, - 210 lb
Old 02-04-2012, 11:05 AM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #219 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 13,286
Garage
Thanks for the heads-up on the alarm wiring, that is exactly that I was afraid of. I'm going to find a competent stereo/alarm shop that can surgically remove this insidious device.

Yes those bad boys would be a handful on the front. Gabe had 315's on the front of Reaper with no steering assist, wow!
I couldn't stand to wait any longer to see how these wheels looked on the car. The passenger's side took extreme measures to fit but fit it does. There is not a spare millimeter anywhere. I don't know about you guys but I love the way this looks! Cannot wait to get the other 3 wheels back and see the whole package!



__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 02-04-2012, 12:40 PM
  Pelican Parts Technical Article Directory    Reply With Quote #220 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:26 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2017 Pelican Parts LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.