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MSD ignition for 930...?

Hi everybody,

does some of you use an MSD ignition system...?....and wich one....?

As I had a failure in Morocco during a touristic rally due to high temperature ( 45C ambiant....so much more in the engine bay...), I was wondering if the MSD 6AL-2 or 7AL-2 would be better and more reliable....?
Thanks for your advises....


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Old 06-09-2012, 11:28 AM
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I use the 6al, works great. Some recomend getting a better rotor and definately a new blaster coil from msd. I have the blaster coil but not the stronger rotor. Mine works great.
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Is the 6AL a plug n play?
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Had 6al on my 3.8tt prior to going MoTeC & M&W for ignition. Worked well - not plug and play but with the small effort. Very reliable because it's not the age of the car.
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If it's not plug/play, what's involved?
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I would recommend MSD 6AL-2 Programmable, MSD #6530

The unit allows you to run a straight up ignition exactly like the 6AL or you can use the programming mode and program your own timing and retard curves. The ability to program timing and boost retard is a huge enhancement for the 930.

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You could do a search for more info, but basically it's unplugging the CDI and using a couple of the connections from it. You need the signal from the dizzy, and the power for the msd is from the starter which is more direct and sting from the battery. You need to ground it, and two wires for the coil. I think that's it. And I may have complicated it.
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Most difficult part was my wiring from my car was not good and I would go on a wild goose chase to track it down. And finding the mounting location. That's the hard oart
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Serge, sorry to hear about the failure.
I used a MSD 6AL in my previous 930. If I should choose now I would select 6AL-2 because of the ignition control. You also need to upgrade the coil. I strongly advise to to use 8222 which is epoxy filled over 8202 which is oil filled. I had 8202 first, but had a oil leak and after some time it failed.

You can easily connect it to the 6 pin plug that comes from the engine harness.

This is how I connected the signal wires. Not in this picture is the main red and black wires that was connected to batt

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I mounted my 6AL-2 inside away from the engine heat.




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I have the lower end 6A and it was to replace my failing $500 Bosche or whatever it was unit! I like the idea of a rev limiter on the 6AL and the -2 sounds even better.

One thing I remember is the wiring instructions on the 6A was completely reversed from what I ended up having to do as far as the trigger wiring. I can't remember the details and hopefully they got it straighened out

It works great, and it only cost like $150 at the time.
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Thanks you all for advice and experiences....

So, I think I'll buy the MSD 6AL-2 which seems to be the more appropriate choice for the 930.....and of course, with a technology mauch more actual than the BOSCH HKZ...

For the coil, I wonder wich one is the best choice....?....concidering only performances...not the price....



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I used the Blaster SS 8207

Really rugged construction, compact size, loads of power, and very
reasonably priced.

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Serge, sorry to hear about the failure.
I used a MSD 6AL in my previous 930. If I should choose now I would select 6AL-2 because of the ignition control. You also need to upgrade the coil. I strongly advise to to use 8222 which is epoxy filled over 8202 which is oil filled. I had 8202 first, but had a oil leak and after some time it failed.

You can easily connect it to the 6 pin plug that comes from the engine harness.

This is how I connected the signal wires. Not in this picture is the main red and black wires that was connected to batt
Also run the epoxy blaster coil No. 8222 with 6AL-2. Just peel that fugly sticker of and you have a factorylook race coil.

High Vibration Blaster Coil - 8222
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I'm running twin MSD-6AL for twin plug, 2 MSD blaster-2 coils, MSD Tach Adapter, MSD RPM soliniod for boost delay and MSD distributor. The MSD gear is very reliable and priced right.

In 7 years I have only had to replace 1 coil. My only advice is to make sure you have an excellent ground for the MSD-6AL.

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