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Panorama June issue: collectable 911's (no 930's?)

Author: Prescott Kelly. Article focused on early 911's but on page 38 lists 11 post 1973 911 collectables, number 4: turbo look cars, no mention of 930's of any kind. Makes you wonder who edits these articles.

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There are still alot of 930's out there so it's not rare enough to be a "collectable" car yet. Thats all in the eye of the beholder though.

That and most people these days don't like CIS, turbo lag and the street laziness of a 7:1 compression ratio motor when driving below boost.

I think nice origonal ones will eventually be collector cars. It will take a while longer though.
Throughout history top of the line unabused Porsche's that are stock and origonal have become collector cars so it seems like the 930 would too.
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I noticed this but did not see it as an omission either. The 930 has a small very loyal following. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Porsche owners have never desired one therefore no demand.
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That and most people these days don't like CIS, turbo lag and the street laziness of a 7:1 compression ratio motor when driving below boost.
Probably true, but thanks to this board and the Internet in general, CIS has been de-mystified and can be maintained by anyone. Im old enough to remember CIS systems being yanked in favor of carburetors on nearly every brand of car that came with it. Yes these days folks are going to EFI, but not out of frustration or to get the car to simply run again.
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Doing the math there were 19,410 911S cars built in the years from 1967 thru 1973, which included the 1973 RS, Porsche's signature performance models prior to the turbo. Hardly low production when compared to turbo production so that may not be the reason. Some of these guys that write this stuff just don't know or else they are beating the drum of what they think is great. Porsche in it's own words developed the turbo cars because the carb & Fuel injected cars were becoming obsolete & non competitive. Other manufacturers, along with Formula 1 & Can AM were into getting more HP with turbo development which just phased out the other models when it came to high performance. If the article was written to evaluate Porsche models, especially into the 80 and omit the Porsche 930 turbo project cars, I really think it is just an opinion article, based upon earlier sales reports. It seems that turbo cars may not get the old school 911 guys or auction goers to excited however Ferrari affection-ado's among other seekers of older high performance livery seem to becoming very interested in the early 930 cars lately. May be the new kid on the block? Now I've read the article and would have little interest in the ho hum cars they recommend, they even recommend the standard 74-77 911s which was the low water mark for the great 911s cars that preceded it and no mention the 930 project developed cars that blew away the competition. Phooey
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I read the article and scoffed that 930s weren't mentioned... Don't see how an equal 3.2 Carreras, or SCs is more collectible than a 930. Let alone a m491 Carrera..74-77 911, give me a break! A glaring omission and a biased article. Production numbers are very close to other cars listed and actually lower if you consider US spec cars..
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It seems that turbo cars may not get the old school 911 guys or auction goers to excited however Ferrari affection-ado's among other seekers of older high performance livery seem to becoming very interested in the early 930 cars lately. May be the new kid on the block?
+1. On the Porsche section on Fchat, there is a lot of talk about early 930s and people looking to purchase. big bang for the buck compared to Italian super cars of the era. i know one thing, my 930 has gone up in value in the 2 years i have owned it than my 88 cab has...based on asking prices and what some cars have actual sold for that i am aware of.
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The 930 is NOT a 911!!!!

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Author: Prescott Kelly. Article focused on early 911's but on page 38 lists 11 post 1973 911 collectables, number 4: turbo look cars, no mention of 930's of any kind. Makes you wonder who edits these articles.
So, what's your point? You know what you have...

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The 930 is NOT a 911!!!!
Nor are the 964, 996, 997 and 991 but they are called 911.
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They are all casually considered part of the 911 family.
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As stated, the 930 is not a 911. I took that article as concerning normally aspirated 911's only. The 930 has about as much in common with an early 911 as an early 911 does with a 356. Completely different car/body/suspension/drivetrain.
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The 930/911 turbo is still a performance upgraded, beefed up 911. The ones he recommends differ also from the earlier 911S, just most were upgraded in a more pedestrian way. The article does promote the later desirable air cooled offerings from Porsche to be the ones collectors should watching ( in his opinion ) and the Turbo models are in that air cooled 911 category as well. Other than the induction system the rest of the (930) 911 turbo as many know it to be called, is very recognizable as a 911. He could have stated "now the 911 turbo models" are another story. To my knowledge the early turbos feeding frenzy and pricing are rapidly approaching the 911S situation of the recent past . I know some that are still waiting or looking for those to get one at yesterdays pricing do not like to hear this. but it has been happening. I wonder what 911 models the author has had, has now and what he is planning to get in the future? Ownership is enlightenment.
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[QUOTE=voitureltd;6830448]The 911/930 turbo is still a performance upgraded beefed up 911.


I don't think the engineers who were on the origional 930 project would agree. Porsche follows a perty strict procedure before creating a new desigination number.

The 964, 996, 997. turbos are NOT desiginated 930s.

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The 911/930 turbo is still a performance upgraded beefed up 911.


I don't think the engineers who were on the origional 930 project would agree. Porsche follows a perty strict procedure befor creat a desigination number.

The 964, 996, 997. turbos are NOT desiginated 930s.
The 930 project cars were eventually designated and sold as a 911 turbo by the Porsche factory. I agree that it is a exclusive model (I've owned many Porsche's over the years) and still prefer the 911 930 turbo, however it was developed from a 911 . Many like to exclude the (930 ) 911 turbo Porsche as one of the greatest cars that Porsche developed and I feel this article went a long way to achieve that goal, to diminish it's desirability.
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The 930 project cars were eventually designated and sold as a 911 turbo by the Porsche factory. I agree that it is a exclusive model (I've owned many Porsche's over the years) and still prefer the 911 930 turbo, however it was developed from a 911 . Many like to exclude the (930 ) 911 turbo Porsche as one of the greatest cars that Porsche developed and I feel this article went a long way to achieve that goal, to diminish it's desirability.
Sorry Tony, I read it differently. He starts out talking about 69-73 long hoods and ends up including "turbo look" also not a 930, and a 77s? It rambles and re-hashed a lot of previously written material, and said nothing new. I don't think it did any thing to diminish it's desirability,value or rep.

I , like you have had along love afair (25yr.) with these cars and have personaly owned 3 (currently own 3rd.)
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I haven't read the article (not a PCA member), but re: the exclusion of 930s from a "collectable Porsche" list: who cares? Not that I want the car to be worthless, but I'm not sure I want the model to become absurdly priced, either. I wouldn't want something too valuable to use. Who cares if it's on some list or not. What ever happened to personal intrinsic value? I love my car, regardless of what others think of it.

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