Early Turbo VIN question

[TKO]

Does anyone know what VIN an early Turbo, or any 911 for that matter, would have if the car was a European delivery .... US or ROW?

Many thanks in advance.

[porche]

Originally Posted by TKO

Does anyone know what VIN an early Turbo, or any 911 for that matter, would have if the car was a European delivery .... US or ROW?

Many thanks in advance.

I'm not aware there is any SPECIAL VIN for a Euro Delivery car. All early 10 diget VINs were

• First 3 = Model (911 or 930)

• 4th = Year (6 = 1976, 7 = 1977, etc.)

• 5th = Destination Type (7=ROW, 8= USA, there are some others based on very specific cars like the 935 within the 930 VIN)

• 6th = Body Type (0 = Coupe)

• 7 thru 10 = Assigned Production Number (may not necessarily be built in that exact sequence)

Hope this helps.

[Les Paul]

My 76 Euro is 9306700380

[TKO]

Guys, thanks for the reply's.

I have all the VIN's for both US and ROW cars, but my question is if someone 'back in the day' did a European delivery, did the car come with US or ROW VIN and engine numbers?

Cheers,

[onboost]

By early I assume you mean 76 thru 78...

If 80 thru 85 Turbo.. it will be ROW

If it was a true "European delivery" it would have US Vin & engine number..

If it were purchased in Europe (at a dealer or privately) it would have an ROW vin..

The difference would be in the 5th digit.. an 8 would be US and a 7 would be ROW.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Les Paul

My 76 Euro is 9306700380

Mine is 9306700372.....

[Les Paul]

Have you posted any pics of it here? There are 4 or 5 of us here within the same 100 cars produced in 76

[356911930]

Mine is 9306800099 IFIRC

[klefroid]

Originally Posted by porche

I'm not aware there is any SPECIAL VIN for a Euro Delivery car. All early 10 diget VINs were

• First 3 = Model (911 or 930)

• 4th = Year (6 = 1976, 7 = 1977, etc.)

• 5th = Destination Type (7=ROW, 8= USA, there are some others based on very specific cars like the 935 within the 930 VIN)

• 6th = Body Type (0 = Coupe)

• 7 thru 10 = Assigned Production Number (may not necessarily be built in that exact sequence)

Hope this helps.

[*]4th = Year (6 = 1976, 7 = 1977, etc.)

The 930's 3.3 Turbo model started from 1978 but they sold them as well from half 1977, when you have a 930 made In 1977 your Vin will be like a 1978

Mine is a 1977 3.3 930 870 0104

[onboost]

Originally Posted by klefroid

[*]4th = Year (6 = 1976, 7 = 1977, etc.)

The 930's 3.3 Turbo model started from 1978 but they sold them as well from half 1977, when you have a 930 made In 1977 your Vin will be like a 1978

Mine is a 1977 3.3 930 870 0104

I'm not sure where you're located and I kinda/sorta understand what you're saying however... here in the US, your car based on above description, would be a ROW 1978model with a production date of 1977 as the fourth digit (the 8) designates the model year.. not the production date... or when they were sold as you indicate above.

My car was is a also produced in 1977. It was the 2nd US spec car produced 1978 model year.

[porche]

Originally Posted by onboost

......the fourth digit (the 8) designates the model year.. not the production date....

Well said

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Les Paul

Have you posted any pics of it here? There are 4 or 5 of us here within the same 100 cars produced in 76

No, but here it is....

[Les Paul]

Nice, what is that color?

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Les Paul

Nice, what is that color?

The correct colour is Platinum Diamond, but it was resprayed this colour which is close, but has a more green tint in it. I have the usual rust areas to take care of and then it will get a bare metal respray in the original colour. The car was a demonstrator car with Porsche Cars Great Britain in its early life and featured in books and magazines. Another picture of it here.

[TKO]

Originally Posted by onboost

By early I assume you mean 76 thru 78...

If 80 thru 85 Turbo.. it will be ROW

If it was a true "European delivery" it would have US Vin & engine number..

If it were purchased in Europe (at a dealer or privately) it would have an ROW vin..

The difference would be in the 5th digit.. an 8 would be US and a 7 would be ROW.

onboost,

Yes, by 'early' I mean a '76 or '77. Thank you for answering my question on Euro delivery. Can I ask you how you know this to be true?

All the best,

Tom

[rlane930]

Originally Posted by TKO

onboost,

Yes, by 'early' I mean a '76 or '77. Thank you for answering my question on Euro delivery. Can I ask you how you know this to be true?

All the best,

Tom

If you scroll down on this link, Les Paul posted the VIN table from Michael Cotton's 911 Turbo book. The VIN will tell you if the '76/77 is ROW or U.S.

NEED HELP on a 76 Turbo vin #

[TKO]

Originally Posted by rlane930

If you scroll down on this link, Les Paul posted the VIN table from Michael Cotton's 911 Turbo book. The VIN will tell you if the '76/77 is ROW or U.S.

NEED HELP on a 76 Turbo vin #

Riane, Thank you for the link. I already have this and other resources to confirm VIN's for all ROW and US spec Turbos.
My question was if a US customer opted for 'European Delivery' when picking up their brand new 1976 Turbo (and before it was shipped home), would the VIN be ROW or US?

Thanks,

[rlane930]

Originally Posted by TKO

Riane, Thank you for the link. I already have this and other resources to confirm VIN's for all ROW and US spec Turbos.
My question was if a US customer opted for 'European Delivery' when picking up their brand new 1976 Turbo (and before it was shipped home), would the VIN be ROW or US?

Thanks,

I’m not sure if Porsche had a program in ‘76/77 where someone from the U.S. could pick a 930 and transport it back to the states. Even if they did, a "brand new" car would have to be fitted with a Monroney sticker affixed to the side window as required by Title 15 of the U.S. code that showed that it complied with U.S. DOT and EPA requirements. If it was destined for the U.S., it would have a U.S. VIN and engine as required by U.S. federal law.

Here’s a wiki page on the Monroney sticker:

Monroney sticker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[onboost]

Originally Posted by TKO

onboost,

Yes, by 'early' I mean a '76 or '77. Thank you for answering my question on Euro delivery. Can I ask you how you know this to be true?

All the best,

Tom

I'm not a newcomer to the Porsche hobby, and I have previously worked in the industry in both sales and service with Porsche/Audi and BMW.

Thx

[onboost]

Originally Posted by rlane930

I’m not sure if Porsche had a program in ‘76/77 where someone from the U.S. could pick a 930 and transport it back to the states. Even if they did, a "brand new" car would have to be fitted with a Monroney sticker affixed to the side window as required by Title 15 of the U.S. code that showed that it complied with U.S. DOT and EPA requirements. If it was destined for the U.S., it would have a U.S. VIN and engine as required by U.S. federal law.

Here’s a wiki page on the Monroney sticker:

When you take delivery through the program, you are buying a US spec automobile, plain and simple.

If you are in europe, and you purchase through a European dealership, you can/could also request a US spec vehicle, or you could buy one of the ROW vehicles. The difference being that with the purchase of the US spec vehicle, your DOT & EPA requirements have been met.. the moroney at that point (because you're in Europe) is moot. However, upon the purchase of the ROW vehicle.. you would either sell it before your return to the states or you as the owner, if you decide to keep and import it, you would be responsible for the requirements to make it U.S. DOT and EPA compliant.

Given the period being discussed,
DOT would have included the windshield, safety belts, lighting, and crash bars etc in both bumpers and doors. I have seen many variations of this on euro cars that were brought in during the 80's & 90's and some were just plain atrocious if not scary!

EPA would have been making the car smog compliant.. again, another gray area of the time!